Swing out from the body

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Jan 6, 2009
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Please post that quote from Mankin about this swing/gif:
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Of course they do. Where should the hands be moving first ......forward.....
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I don't think so.

Rdbass, Mankin has said this many, many times. In his video he instructs the hands moving toward the plate with his pathfinder. He does the opposite with his path finder of the hands moving forward first with no arcing of the pathfinder. He then instructs that the hands/bat must move toward the camera (side view) as the first move and then instructs the kids in the video to do the same (first moving the hands forward and then towards the plate/camera). The move toward the plate results in the barrel arcing.

If you took the Bonds clip you can see this happen. The hands actually move toward the plate first and then arc around. I thought this might have something to do with swinging out from the body.
 
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Jan 6, 2009
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BTW Rdbass your clips show Mankin's test very well. Bustos is taking the hands forward with no real arcing taking place. That is a good clip of his experiment in his video with the pathfinder.
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Chehalis, Wa
The reason I posted this Bonds clip was to show the hand movement toward the plate. I thought this might have something to do with swinging out from the body.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
Darn, I meant Shift. Brain fart I guess.

No problem. Appreciate the clarification.

There are multiple shifting pivots within the swing.

For example, towards the start of the swing the top hand is very much a pivot point, whereas into and through impact the bottom hand is a pivot point.
 

rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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No problem. Appreciate the clarification.

There are multiple shifting pivots within the swing.

For example, towards the start of the swing the top hand is very much a pivot point, whereas into and through impact the bottom hand is a pivot point.
Learning something new. I thought that pivot points were fixed(even though pivot points are moving in space).
I still don't feel the front leg becomes a pivot point at some point. I feel the front hip going back because of the blocking from the front leg/foot. Can the hips have 2 pivot points at the same time?
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Learning something new. I thought that pivot points were fixed(even though pivot points are moving in space).
I still don't feel the front leg becomes a pivot point at some point. I feel the front hip going back because of the blocking from the front leg/foot. Can the hips have 2 pivot points at the same time?

Just because you identify the source of a force application doesn't detract from a pivoting type action. Pick up a bat and perform some dry swings. Place a feel sensor towards the top of your front leg. As you block, and your rear foot essentially becomes weightless & perhaps even drug forward, sense what is taking place towards the top of your front leg. The bulk of your body's rotation takes place during this blocking action.

At the start of the swing, the body's lateral bending/tilting & rotation 'inspires' a pulling action along the lead arm ... at this time the bottom hand is essentially a force applier and the top hand has a pivoting role. The path of the top hand is fairly critical here. The lead arm, being a 'swinger', has the bottom hand/wrist becoming a pivot point through impact. The top hand, which was a pivot point, becomes a force applier and takes on a role of a 'smasher'. Many folks feel this smashing-like feel and believe that is the top hand's only function in the swing ... which is understandable, but not correct.
 

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