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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Early on in swing there is overcoming inertia, so I don't think there a ton of turning. As the swing unfolds then yes there is turning.
    Yeah, I'm not sure I understand what inertia is being overcome, but the reason I asked the question was that you said that you saw, "pivoting, oar lock effect and the hands just being a rotational point", and was just wondering what it was that you saw "pivoting [around the] oar lock effect and [what it was] the hands [were] just being a rotational point [of]".

    So while it could possibly argued that the barrel might not be "snapping rearward" depending on one's definition of "snapping", but if you introduce the other above aspects stated, then I'm curious what it is that is pivoting/turning around them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Early on in swing there is overcoming inertia, so I don't think there a ton of turning. As the swing unfolds then yes there is turning.
    Yes, when viewing slow-mo swings. Have to remember that a swing in real time happens real fast, or better happen/turn fast
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdbass View Post
    Yes, when viewing slow-mo swings. Have to remember that a swing in real time happens real fast, or better happen/turn fast
    Yes, the slo mo makes a difference. In the swings I posted the barrel is still lagging back as the lower body (hips) is underway. So the discussion on turning the barrel from the start while the barrel is still lagging back, when comparing slo mo is a hard sell. Although I can buy that you attempt to turn the barrel from the start even if video doesn't support the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Yes, the slo mo makes a difference. In the swings I posted the barrel is still lagging back as the lower body (hips) is underway. So the discussion on turning the barrel from the start while the barrel is still lagging back, when comparing slo mo is a hard sell. Although I can buy that you attempt to turn the barrel from the start even if video doesn't support the idea.
    If you're/hitter is NOT 'turning the barrel forward towards the ball' from the 'start'. What is the hitter doing. I hope not moving the hands forward.
    the barrel is still lagging back as the lower body (hips) is underway
    Maybe because the barrel is turning rearward(underway) as the lower body was 'underway'.
    even if video doesn't support the idea
    Video does support it whether you want to believe it or not. I'm just pointing out that slow-mo video has some thinking that it may support what they think is happening in the swing. Not saying you are wrong or right just saying be careful of slow-mo videos. Again JMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    I see pivoting, oar lock effect and the hands just being a rotational point. I don't see snapping the barrel backwards.
    Last edited by FiveFrameSwing; 08-12-2017 at 09:56 PM.

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    whether you like the idea of turning the barrel forward or backward the barrel is getting turned by the hands/wrists/forearms. The body is NOT turning the barrel
    Last edited by Buttermaker; 08-13-2017 at 05:59 PM.
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    Even Ted Williams spoke of the arc of his barrel as compared to other hitter's swing arc.

    The bat is not pulled along the length of the bat ... pressure to the handle is largely applied orthogonal to the barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    Even Ted Williams spoke of the arc of his barrel as compared to other hitter's swing arc.

    The bat is not pulled along the length of the bat ... pressure to the handle is largely applied orthogonal to the barrel.
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    "Behind and through" not "down and to" the ball.

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    Train the core - Educate your hands

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