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Can you explain "out" from the body? I understand the concept of turning the barrel. Makes sense for sure. Just having some trouble relating what is being instructed in some of these videos
Sure, I understand the terminology can be difficult; heaven knows it took me plenty of head scratching, and loads of questions (and bickering back and forth) to finally get the concepts somewhat clear...or clear enough to at least teach them with some success. Places like this are great to find resources to help, and it was at another site like this that a buddy started talking about the swing being "rotational and linear"...bink, lightbulb went on.

So basically what he was saying, was that back at that time "rotational hitting" was of the day what "turning the barrel" is becoming today. There were plenty of discussion of getting into a certain posture, connecting the bat/barrel to a certain position relative to the body, and then rapidly rotating this unit to the ball, and then this rapid rotation would eventually throw or launch the barrel to the ball. This was the basic swing model used as the example of what was a large majority of opinion of the proper swing path at the time....

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While this did seem close to what some of the top hitters were doing, but to myself and others there was something not correct about it, so the journey continued.

This is where/when TM started talking about "Swinging out from the body", which on first read made no sense to me (sure seemed like he was talking about casting the barrel), but after plenty of discussion, and enough vitriol to go around (others know what I'm talking about even if you might not :)), it started becoming clearer. It was then that a really good coach (and friend), who was involved with all of these discussions himself from early on, said that the swing to looked to him as "rotational and linear". IOWs, it started out early on a rotational path (the turning the barrel part), and then once this turning barrel was brought "rotationally" from around "behind the corner", the swing was released or launched at the ball on a "linear" path " out from the body".

So there was a "rotational" turn of the barrel behind the ball (and hitter), but the actual swing continuation was "out from the body" as the barrel was launched behind and through the now read incoming pitch location.

I saw it posted here a little while back, but Stanton has a pretty much purely "rotational" swing, and is basically making a "hard left turn" all the way around his body, and a comparison swing was post (I believe Cabrera), that showed the more "rotational to linear" swing "out from his body" that all the other HL hitters have. I don't have (nor care to look for) those two example clips, but maybe you already know the ones I'm speaking of, or maybe someone can repost them here if they happen to have them handy.

Hope that helps some,
MB
 
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Dec 4, 2013
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I have, I've picked up a bat and literally tried. Elbow juts up an awkward angle and I loose control of the bat. Thats if I'm trying what the guy did in the video... now if I try to dup Bustos swing, that feels natural. Having trouble seeing correlation between what the instructor is doing and what Bustos is doing. Of course they are both turning the barrel, one way just looks a lot more awkward then the other... sorry Ian not seeing any hitters doing what is instructed in their swings. Maybe somebody can provide a side by side and explain to me how what is being instructed is performed by a good hitter during a game swing... or even practice for that matter

If you video yourself trying to match Bustos you are most likely going to realize that you are not achieving the same barrel depth that she is and you are not swinging out from your body, you are swinging around your body. Now this is just a guess, but that's usually how it works. I encourage you to do this.

Now you are going to ask yourself how can I get more barrel depth and the deep woosh behind me instead of along side or out front.

Now the videos that you don't see as relative really become valid. To match her barrel depth you will see that you need to sell out, turn it all in instantly. Until you put yourself through this process I doubt you are really going to appreciate the demos or truly understand it. Like Mudder said this stuff takes years to comprehend. I really appreciate all the hard work that the people on these forums put in before me to really speed up the learning process for the rest of us.....
 
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May 12, 2016
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Thank you everybody for explaining "out from" to me. To me I always classified it as long through.. i understand what you are referring to now. At first I thought you meant casting as well...
 
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If you video yourself trying to match Bustos you are most likely going to realize that you are not achieving the same barrel depth that she is and you are not swinging out from your body, you are swinging around your body. Now this is just a guess, but that's usually how it works. I encourage you to do this.

Now you are going to ask yourself how can I get more barrel depth and the deep woosh behind me instead of along side or out front.

Now the videos that you don't see as relative really become valid. To match her barrel depth you will see that you need to sell out, turn it all in instantly. Until you put yourself through this process I doubt you are really going to appreciate the demos or truly understand it. Like Mudder said this stuff takes years to comprehend. I really appreciate all the hard work that the people on these forums put in before me to really speed up the learning process for the rest of us.....

Probably not getting the same barrel depth.. not sure. But definitely not rotating around my body like my DD does, I think I extend pretty well. Maybe I'll take a video of me and post it... ��
 
Dec 4, 2013
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Probably not getting the same barrel depth.. not sure. But definitely not rotating around my body like my DD does, I think I extend pretty well. Maybe I'll take a video of me and post it... ��

IMO that is the best way to learn. But you will need some tough skin and a sense of humor, sometimes people aren't always too nice :p
 
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Cannonball

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Taking video etc. is alright but keep in mind that many of the gurus say that many, if not most, of MLB Players don't swing the bat the right way.
 
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Taking video etc. is alright but keep in mind that many of the gurus say that many, if not most, of MLB Players don't swing the bat the right way.

Wouldn't you agree Barry, Manny, Pujols, Cabrera, ARod, etc. were doing something different then the rest of the league? (Please no steroid jokes, lol)
 

Cannonball

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Wouldn't you agree Barry, Manny, Pujols, Cabrera, ARod, etc. were doing something different then the rest of the league? (Please no steroid jokes, lol)

Yes, I would agree and wouldn't you agree that if you make it to MLB, you're probably pretty darn good and better than the average dad swinging a bat. LOL
 

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