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    Quote Originally Posted by julray View Post
    My daughters swing is dead on and perfect... check out all 10 pages of this thread
    https://www.discussfastpitch.com/sof...n-contact.html

    LOL

    ...Anyway, who cares if he posts is daughters swing or not? Just cause a guy says his daughters swing is dead on doesn't mean he needs it validated on this site. He was curious about the numbers he posted...
    As someone else said, it would be a nice example for others if we could show that it is possible to have a very mechanically sound swing at a young age. All examples we show are of MLB or high level college girls softball hitters.

    But you are right that he doesn't need validation from this site. Also I wasn't correcting grammar just showing him why people were thinking exactly correct when he said dead-on...

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    I think we both know that others are not interested in seeing a nice example of a mechanically sound swing. Like you said, there are many examples that we can look at. They want to see this guy post is daughters swing so they can tell him it's not "dead on". Either way it would be a good learning experience for him, so I encourage him to post a video as well. I learned a lot in the thread I created. If others could provide constructive feedback instead of trying to prove a guy wrong, then it would be helpful for him and his daughter.

    LOL, I wasn't referring to you when talking about grammar, sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree with you, dead on pretty much means perfect.

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    I think we both know that others are not interested in seeing a nice example of a mechanically sound swing. Like you said, there are many examples that we can look at. They want to see this guy post is daughters swing so they can tell him it's not "dead on".
    I asked to see his DD's swing to possibly to see a 'dead on swing'.
    You are correct there's plenty of other mechanically unsound swings to look at.
    If others could provide constructive feedback instead of trying to prove a guy wrong,
    Constructive feed back helps best when a poster doesn't try to prove himself/herself correct in defense of that criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by julray View Post
    I think we both know that others are not interested in seeing a nice example of a mechanically sound swing. .
    I won't speak for others but I am interested in seeing her swings for this reason: Sometimes I wonder if some of the things I am trying to get across to my daughter just are not possible due to age related
    issues whether they be cognitive or physical. Albeit my DD is only 7, so it wouldn't be apples to apples obviously but she will be 13 at some point right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdbass View Post
    I asked to see his DD's swing to possibly to see a 'dead on swing'.
    You are correct there's plenty of other mechanically unsound swings to look at.

    Constructive feed back helps best when a poster doesn't try to prove himself/herself correct in defense of that criticism.
    That's not what I said.. but I understand you are probably taking a shot at my 12 years old's swing.. wow, whatever floats your boat. We know we have a lot to work on.

    Constructive feedback is much more effective when provided without sarcasm or arrogance. A little humility goes a long way ..... superstar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pattar View Post
    I won't speak for others but I am interested in seeing her swings for this reason: Sometimes I wonder if some of the things I am trying to get across to my daughter just are not possible due to age related
    issues whether they be cognitive or physical. Albeit my DD is only 7, so it wouldn't be apples to apples obviously but she will be 13 at some point right?
    Yes makes sense for sure.. She will be 13 at some point and I wish you the best of luck, LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by julray View Post
    That's not what I said.. but I understand you are probably taking a shot at my 12 years old's swing.. wow, whatever floats your boat. We know we have a lot to work on.

    Constructive feedback is much more effective when provided without sarcasm or arrogance. A little humility goes a long way ..... superstar.
    And really, are we going to get into grammar wars on an internet forum.. LOL
    Constructive feedback is much more effective when provided without sarcasm or arrogance.
    I agree...it goes both ways there.... champ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pattar View Post
    I won't speak for others but I am interested in seeing her swings for this reason: Sometimes I wonder if some of the things I am trying to get across to my daughter just are not possible due to age related
    issues whether they be cognitive or physical. Albeit my DD is only 7, so it wouldn't be apples to apples obviously but she will be 13 at some point right?
    In my opinion, learning to hit is no different than learning any other skill. Whether that is playing a guitar, learning gymnastics, or learning calculus. Each student will have a different aptitude and will respond positively or negatively to different teaching techniques. It is the instructors responsibility to find a way to reach each student, assuming that student wants to be reached. Sometimes it will come easily. Sometimes it will be a struggle. I am not saying that helping someone become a productive hitter is as difficult as learning high level calculus, but it also isn't as simple as some people tend to think. I am not directing this comment at any particular posters here, but it seems like some parents are expecting one magic drill that will turn their son/daughter into a pro hitter over night. It just isn't that simple. That's part of the reason a pro ball player can fail 70% of the time (assuming a .300 hitter) and still make millions of dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peanut View Post
    Is this good she got tested and this is what it came out as

    Bat Speed 64

    Blast Factor 86
    First time I have seen the term "blast factor". I think that is an interesting concept. To answer your question. Assuming these figures are accurate and assuming your daughter has good mechanics (and it sound like you think she does), then I would consider her bat speed to be well above average. Probably in the top 2% or 3% of hitters in the entire country at that age. I coach an 18u team that includes 3 players currently in college, 2 that are committed to play in college next year, and 6 others that are still being recruited. At the age of 13, your daughter is comparable to some of the players on my team. I do have a few that will consistently hit 70 (and two above 70), but they are 4 or 5 years older than your daughter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FP26 View Post
    I am not saying that helping someone become a productive hitter is as difficult as learning high level calculus
    I have a PhD in Mechanical engineering, teach Aerospace engineering at a University and I played college baseball and I am going to tell you that
    for me at least learning to teach somebody how to hit is harder than any of the math courses I took, which went well beyond basic calculus. The person you are trying to "learn", e.g. the student, has a brain
    and body which is unlike any other person in the world hence you first need to understand how their brain and body works, that isn't easy at all. There are no
    rules you can use to study the person. With math the material is fixed. You take a class in set theory and there are rules (e.g. basic axioms) which are all laid out for you. If you make the effort and have
    the proper background (e.g. other courses you took) you can learn those rules and hence master the material.

    I would actually compare teaching somebody to hit to doing innovative research e.g. there is the element of unknown which you are trying to investigate and along the way your
    path to figuring out the "answer" will have to vary based upon your experiments (in my case computational experiments).

    Of course I may just be a crappy hitting instructor and it wouldn't be the first time somebody would say I couldn't teach worth a lick

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