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tjintx

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Originally Posted by tjintx
Great! Agreement..... Where should, shouldn't that tilt originate?
IE, the tilt 'should' include the pelvis(engaged) from the hip joint up through the torso. the core is mandatory for this to happen.
the tilt 'shouldn't' be above the pelvis(disengaged) leaning forward(hunching) with the spine. The core is bypassed this way or short circuited this way.
On a side note, the lower back shouldn't consist of an arching at the lower back as a means of feeling engaged that doesn't include the pelvis....This is also a short circuiting and a bottoming out feeling that is an inferior movement when the pelvis is not engaged.... Just some thoughts.....

Rear hip socket....

So, for you tilt in the "rear hip socket" only? How about a tilt felt in both hip sockets? It feels like a stretching across the pelvis as you "separate"...
 
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So, for you tilt in the "rear hip socket" only? How about a tilt felt in both hip sockets? It feels like a stretching across the pelvis as you "separate"...

I think about a tilt in the rear hip socket. Not sure if its anatomically possible, or do I care, but the thought is the rear hip slips behind the ball of their femur. It should feel like your rear hip is "falling off the cliff". Lateral tilt in the rear hip socket. Direction of the tilt should be away from the opposite middle infielder (eg. right handed hitter, away from second baseman).....
 
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tjintx

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I think about a tilt in the rear hip socket. Not sure if its anatomically possible, or do I care, but the thought is the rear hip slips behind the ball of their femur. It should feel like your rear hip is "falling off the cliff". Lateral tilt in the rear hip socket. Direction of the tilt should be away from the opposite middle infielder (eg. right handed hitter, away from second baseman).....


I'm with you here. I get it... But, let's add a direction element to that movement(remove some more slop). With a tilt(pull back) into both hips joints and the core pulling the torso including the pelvis towards the pitcher(away from the rear leg)you will get to the "middle". A more direct movement is there. instead of move back toward the dugout behind you 'then' a move toward the pitcher you get a combined movement that is adds to the stretch....
 
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I'm with you here. I get it... But, let's add a direction element to that movement(remove some more slop). With a tilt(pull back) into both hips joints and the core pulling the torso including the pelvis towards the pitcher(away from the rear leg)you will get to the "middle". A more direct movement is there. instead of move back toward the dugout behind you 'then' a move toward the pitcher you get a combined movement that is adds to the stretch....

My question to you would be where do you get the suddenness if you are two legged or in the "middle"? To me it seems like it would be a forced move. A big slow hip turn or a thrust.....
 
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On the first page I suggested to julray that she could perhaps use the command drill although I didn't call it that. After the last couple of posts regarding removing "slop" this may be worth revisiting. FYI
when I explained to my daughter what we were trying to do when I had her do this drill she didn't appreciate me calling it slop..:D

Consider calling it what it is ... 'slack'.
 

tjintx

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My question to you would be where do you get the suddenness if you are two legged or in the "middle"? To me it seems like it would be a forced move. A big slow hip turn or a thrust.....

This,movement precedes the coveted "belt loops" move. It sets up the resistance needed.....
 
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This,movement precedes the coveted "belt loops" move. It sets up the resistance needed.....

Now the million dollar question.......We both could look at the same clip and we both believe a different action is going on.

Can the way you teach it produce a match to the clips that we all study? If so, great, everybody wins.

I know the way that I am describing it can......
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That works :)

Good .... because that is what it is ... "slack" ... a loose, non-taut, limp system that can't respond instantaneously because of the 'slack' in the system.

You don't simply "walk away from the hands" .... there is more to it .... you also go from a semi-slack system to a semi-taut system.

If the rope was the 'system', then we would take the slack out of the 'rope' .....

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Since the subject under discussion is a no-strider, we'll use the following example of taking the slack out of the system during the process of "walking away from the hands".

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You in a sense "pull back" / "stretch" / "tauten" against a forward moving rear hip.
 

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