Swing Plane and upright position at contact

I read this whole thread and realized I have read this thread countless times over the past 15 years. I started laughing at some of the comments. Same verse different minions.

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I beg to differ. I've been on this forum and a couple of others for the past 7ish years and the only discussions have been disputing what TM has been teaching. So, are you saying that you have been in agreement with TM all this time. Are you saying that SE teaching is the same as TM . I don't think so. Correct me if I'm wrong. Just not how I remember it being on the sites.
Added: didn't someone have Lemmings.....

pattar said:

julray, I would be on board with you getting another account, putting your DD in a Groucho Marx mask and starting another thread...

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I'm note mad at julray for calling me names. I understand it as a dad who thought he knew the swing and how it's 'supposed' to be taught only to find out he don't. Also finding out that he wasted his DD's time with his teachings. So, I believe he's more mad at himself and is taken out on me. I'm a big boy I can take it. Hopefully he will read and get to work soon on rebuilding his DD's swing. No time to waste.

He has predicted failures of many players and is wrong.

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TM predicted Harper would have to change his swing from the ER of his humerus. Guess what he changed his swing.

Englishbey, where many of us started, believes/teaches the swing axis is about the front leg. I disagree.

Hands along for the ride......I disagree....

Not that same as HI.
Don't forget PCR plus Hook......

jbryan, you stated your dd's swing is the product of TM's teaching and that he is the best out there for swing instruction. If that is true, he is teaching so many things he attacked over the years if your dd's swing is indicative of what he teaches. I do think your dd has a good swing but I see elements of so many other instructors and noticed right away the relationship your dd creates with her knees.

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It's a darn fine swing. I've never studied other methods so if you see pieces of other stuff in there, it's solely chance. IMO of you are hung up on knees and nonsense like that, you are in the weeds. Stuff like confuses the people here to learn.

You don't need to work knees, front legs, this and that. The process really is much more simple. Learn to coil, learn resistance, learn a barrel turn (forearms, jut/triangle turn, lateral tilt).

Spartans, that is a fair question. IMO, no one has it all figured out. I like bits and pieces of various guru's stuff. I've taken much of it and tried to incorporate that information into a system I teach. If you saw what I teach, you would be able to say that this or that came from ... A part of the point I was making is that when someone says that such and such has figured it out and are the know all of hitting, I first try to look at some of the things they teach and I an usually see influences from others. Do I have it all figured out? Nope. I think my hitters do well both in high school and college. Still, I am continue to learn.

Per posting video etc. I have posted video of my dd since she was 10 years old. I posted video until she ended her college career. Will I post video of my present students? Not on your life. Creeps out there take video like that of whomever and trash them without knowing or caring about the player. People like one particular person do so without knowing if there are points of emphasis being worked on. They steal materials, push it as their own, tell fabricated stories of how they match the MLB pattern and their players do as well and feast on parents looking for the holy grail of hitting.

My advice is, and will continue to be, for all of us to continue to be learners of the swing and do our best to help our hitters. My advice will continue to be to use cues and gurus who make sense to you. But, my advice will also continue to be that you and your guru don't know it all and aren't the know all/end all of the swing. There are members of this site that have their dds come to me for hitting. They have posted before their experience first hand with what I teach. They would also be able to state on this site that I don't claim to be a guru and so, I simply do my best to help their dds hit. My fees are outrageous for my lessons attempting to help their dds.

jryan15 said:

It's a darn fine swing. I've never studied other methods so if you see pieces of other stuff in there, it's solely chance. IMO of you are hung up on knees and nonsense like that, you are in the weeds. Stuff like confuses the people here to learn.

You don't need to work knees, front legs, this and that. The process really is much more simple. Learn to coil, learn resistance, learn a barrel turn (forearms, jut/triangle turn, lateral tilt).

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Well, you are probably right and so I probably ruined my dd and am now ruining those I work with.

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I think you missed a part of the point. You didn't have to study the others. You said that your dd's swing is a HI swing. So, given the influences I notice including the knee action, etc. I see those influences of others as taught by TM.

A good swing should all pretty much look alike because it should have all the absolutes going into,during and after launch. Stance and hand set ect may be and will be different because that's part of the hitters style.

rdbass said:

I beg to differ. I've been on this forum and a couple of others for the past 7ish years and the only discussions have been disputing what TM has been teaching. So, are you saying that you have been in agreement with TM all this time. Are you saying that SE teaching is the same as TM . I don't think so. Correct me if I'm wrong. Just not how I remember it being on the sites.
Added: didn't someone have Lemmings.....

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First of all, it was a "posse" and not lemmings. LOL I was not one of those and SE made that point once. If you know what was taught on SE's private site and have access to all of the quotes from his old website, you could see some of the things that influenced TM. (Read comment in an earlier post here about the shoulders and hands relationship. I don't care to look it up but laughed when I read it.) I've posted several times that SE did influence some of what my dd learned. While the suggestion is and has been that she does not have a HL swing, I'll take her career results any day. However, I also pointed out that others had a huge influence as well. SE posted once on his website that my dd had not mastered what was his opinion of the type of swing he taught. Finally, PCR was never a hitting system. Nyman pointed that a zillion times.

I hope I answered your questions.

Take care,

Darrell