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tjintx

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To my point, most if not all "rear leg" drills require the front side to be moved out of the way 1st, then the drilling begins.
Getting the front side out of the way in a useful manner that allows the body to move freely is a major failing(coaching and hitting).
So, I see "rear leg" drills as a partial instruction.... You will have to teach the hitter how to incorporate that front side eventually, or not, your choice.
Not here to argue..... just trying to add another viewpoint.
 
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Just putting a video behind the concept .....

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I don't disagree with what is seen visually. But, is it using the rear side that gets the front in and out of the way or is it using the front side to get in and out of the way.

EDIT - the front side is getting in the way due to the pullbacks above the rear leg and getting out of the way due to the rear leg turning the assembly forward.
 
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To my point, most if not all "rear leg" drills require the front side to be moved out of the way 1st, then the drilling begins.
Getting the front side out of the way in a useful manner that allows the body to move freely is a major failing(coaching and hitting).
So, I see "rear leg" drills as a partial instruction.... You will have to teach the hitter how to incorporate that front side eventually, or not, your choice.
Not here to argue..... just trying to add another viewpoint.

Well the point of the rear legged swings is to show/train hitters that the rear side is in control. Transitioning back to a regular stance requires the hitter to not revert and rely on the front side to control the swing.
 
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Here is a great view of being one legged
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This is an inside change up.

If he actively used his front side to get in and out of the way he would have best case hooked this ball foul just due to the swing radius a front side action would create. The rear side is in control and he is pulling back with everything above his rear leg.
 
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Buttermaker,

I look at the axis starting with the back leg and then shifting to the front hip/leg. I think the backside is the most important axis it sets up the axis of the hands. I believe that if you think of the front hip/leg as the axis from the start of the swing the hand pivot point is compromised and you will more then likely end up on the front leg to much.

I think the front leg does play a role. It is relaxed and then the thigh/quad contract very quickly "caused" by the back hip/leg. Meaning if you relax the front leg and use the backside correctly the front hip/leg is then used correctly as a direct result of the back leg action.

Although, Like I mentioned I think the axis can and does shift during the swing. It starts out as the back hip being the axis.

I disagree. I agree with Bass that weight shifts to the middle but the axis is always (or should be) around the rear edge of the body.
 

ian

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Good luck with that...Thinking about a ground up swing is a slowwwwwww swing. If it works for your DD then OK good. Good hitters don't do or think about 'doing the Elvis move'.

More great instruction on what not to do from RDB! No miggy gif tho, so it was a half hearted effort.

So if thinking ground up or hitting with your lower body is a slow swing. Where you you start your thinking? Are you a think swing with your arms guy? Or a swing with your hands guy? Or a dont use your lower half swing with your back guy?

Lay down some of that knowlege.
 

rdbass

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Not here.
I never said:
So if thinking ground up or hitting with your lower body is a slow swing
I said starting a swing from the ground up(foot or elvis move as you posted) or thinking of starting your swing from the ground up makes for a slow swing.
Where you you start your thinking?
My eyes supply the information my brain uses/needs to hit with.
Are you a think swing with your arms guy? Or a swing with your hands guy
Nope and nope.
Or a dont use your lower half swing with your back guy?
Your thinking is way to low for me. You think foot and elvis move/knee.
I 'think' use this:(sorry no Miggy gif this time have to use Pujols)
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Maybe something you should 'think' about.
Here is what kind of 'guy' I am:
The load, that drives the swing, is housed in the SCIP axis...the torsion spring....which extends from the rear hip socket to the scap/spine junction. The stretch of the body against the leg IS THE LOAD. And when that load is extended up the back to the scap region, by fusing the torso into a unit....and forming the SCIP axis....the point of unload...is now as close to the barrel as possible. All you have to do is turn the hands and the barrel explodes through the zone. The energy is created/increased/stored....in the SCIP axis....is WAY closer to the point of launch than the foot at the ground. BY DEFAULT....that swing must be quicker.

OF COURSE GROUND FORCES ARE USED. But the HOW of 'how they are used' is totally misunderstood. When you coil the hip and pull back with your back to form the SCIP axis....it works against the leg. OF COURSE THE LEG IS GROUNDED. Duh. BUT.....the forces....the energy....that is created....by coiling against the grounded leg....ARE NOT STORED IN THE FOOT OR LEG.....while they wait for a go decision. THAT is far, far away from the point of use. AND....A HITTER WHO DOES THAT....WILL AUTOMATICALLY PUSH WITH THEIR ARMS....BECAUSE IT TAKES TOO LONG FOR THE GROUND FORCES TO RISE. The pitch is on them before the foot delivered ground forces get to the launch point. They recruit the arms immediately. The arms get in front of the system....and the hip will then PUSH the swing instead of PULL the swing.

In a high level swing the ground forces work up the leg to the SCIP axis....the torsion spring....LONG before launch. They've already traveled and are as close as possible to the launch. They are not only stored there, but they are increased as the hip/back/scap constantly and continually pull back against the leg. And then they fire INSTANTLY when the barrel is turned. Not only does that load/unload pattern produce the quickest swing possible.....THAT LOAD/UNLOAD IS AS CLOSE TO THE POINT OF USE AS POSSIBLE.

It is totally illogical....and absurd nonsense....to think a hitter can be quick enough to deal with his challenge while all the energy is in the foot....and has to travel all the way to the barrel in an instant.

HIGH LEVEL MECHANICS ARE ALL ABOUT QUICKNESS.....SUDDENNESS. The time between decision and contact must approach the time it takes a light bulb to turn on after you flip the switch. Timing is about quickness and suddenness. Without timing you will struggle. Without an instantaneous launch you will NEVER have timing. And timing a pitcher with a good arsenal is next to impossible without being sudden with the launch.
 
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