Lag ... and how it pertains to the swing.

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Oct 2, 2015
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S3 - all the credit to you for testing, but.....If you get the swing sequence right, the wrists serve to transfer and effectively add power. Think tip of a whip or complex pendulum, or a fly line - you can't do anything to increase the terminal velocity after initiation. In the cases of hitting, hammering etc the wrists ALLOW it, rather than MAKE it, to happen.

Having done the experiments and still not buying in, I think you should try to wade through the earlier linked thread with Doc Nathan's explanation of the physics. Yes, it may make your brain muscles hurt, but it is worth it IME.

Best of luck- GM

Yes, I agree 100% that the wrists allow the "power" movement, which is made by the forearm muscles.
 
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The more you use your forearm and wrist to power the hammer, the less pounding the elbow takes. Therefore the less the chance for tendonitis in the elbow (carpenter's/tennis elbow)... then it just transforms into carpal tunnel int he wrist...:D

Ya, I ran a Christmas tree farm for a couple of summers when I was younger.
And I worked for a logging company for one summer, runnin' chainsaws...
And we used to go through 12-15 cords of wood every winter in the house I grew up in (it's 107 years old now, and had old newspaper insulation in the walls then)
Since my dad ran the gas wood splitter, guess who ran the German wood splitter (axe)?...with loose wrists? nope...we can thumb wrestle over that one..:D
You won't see me in a lumberjack competition on ESPN anytime soon though...I've had my fill!
Split the wood, stack the wood...split the wood, stack the wood...
 
Feb 3, 2010
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Ya, I ran a Christmas tree farm for a couple of summers when I was younger.
And I worked for a logging company for one summer, runnin' chainsaws...
And we used to go through 12-15 cords of wood every winter in the house I grew up in (it's 107 years old now, and had old newspaper insulation in the walls then)
Since my dad ran the gas wood splitter, guess who ran the German wood splitter (axe)?...with loose wrists? nope...we can thumb wrestle over that one..:D
You won't see me in a lumberjack competition on ESPN anytime soon though...I've had my fill!
Split the wood, stack the wood...split the wood, stack the wood...

Now we're talking! I think we could definitely hang out! Stihl, Husqvarna, Echo, Jonsered or Dolmar? 12-15?!?!? Can't imagine splitting wood with an axe, but haven't tried since I was a kid... For general splitting, we use 6/8 lb mauls. We're spoiled with a splitter designed by a retired Boeing engineer and college prof. It can handle almost any thing we stick in it--even his wife's finger! My days of the hard stuff are pretty limited with physical gimptation, but I can still run a saw and drive the tractor! The kids do the real work!

I still disagree... ;)
 
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The more you use your forearm and wrist to power the hammer, the less pounding the elbow takes. Therefore the less the chance for tendonitis in the elbow (carpenter's/tennis elbow)... then it just transforms into carpal tunnel int he wrist...:D

Huh?! I sit on a bucket a lot. I find if I don't relax my elbow and wrist, I get pain in my elbow (Pitcher's Elbow?) When I relax my elbow and wrist, the pain is gone immediately. Hopefully Orthodoc or pobguy can chime in with some professional input!
[MENTION=10430]pobguy[/MENTION] [MENTION=12158]Orthodoc[/MENTION]
 
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Stihl...
Ya dad let me do the real work too...:D
Since I was low man on totem pole, dad got the splitter I got the axe...don't get me wrong, I didn't split 12-15 cord every year with an axe
But I did carry all that dang wood into the house with my dad every year!
he took it easy on me and gave me the driest stuff that had sat the longest after we dropped them.
As a kid, I'd did a good job of finding the driest birch I could...the smaller in diameter the better. :D
With no insulation but paper in the walls of that old house we'd burn through that cord wood like...well like cord wood.:D
They still have the old Jotul (spelling?) wood stove as a back up. Along with ~ 1/2 cord of wood...just in case the furnace conks out.

No, with the hammer and tennis/carpenter's elbow, I was joking. Hence the smiley face:D
Primarily carpenter's get tendinitis in the elbow, and I was joking if they would use even more forearm/wrist power than they normally do, maybe they would have less elbow tendonitis...which would ultimately show up more as wrist injuries if using their wrists more than they normally would.

But in regards to our differnences in opinion on swing techniques, all 3 of my DDs have benefitted greatly from all of the input, stories and video gifs that you guys put on this board.
Just because we disagree on some things, doesn't mean we can't learn from each other.

Thanks again guys!
 
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May 3, 2014
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Lucky you. I see he is in NJ.
Ok. seems like we are on the same page. How do you feel about the Snap Stop Drill to help 'find your back'.
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Yes - then transitioning to understand when the shoulder blade does indeed have to release for most pitches. Inside not so much (Trout is an unicorn in that he hardly releases on most pitches)

Initial barrel path is way under rated in this regard - It looks easy for Bryant - watch how long into barrel path the scap stays against spine - but it doesn't stay there throughout the entire swing.

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His rear leg carries the swing forward allowing the scap to keep pulling back
 
Nov 18, 2013
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BINGO. Brooke was struggling bad with dumping the barrel and popping everything up for about 2wks straight. I showed her game swings and took still shots to show Her timing was perfect and other than creating a elbow pivot point instead of a hand pivot point her mechanics were perfect.

She was so focused on turning the triangle that her front elbow was working up to fast which dumped the barrel. So I broke her swing down and told her to get the top hand working and let the triangle turn happen because of the hands and not the elbows. Since then she's raised to her average up 30 points and is hitting to all fields again with power. Unfortunately she has dug herself a big hole to climb out of but there's time.

Just another case of a hitter making things too complicated.

Her hitting looked just fine last night! Congrats to your DD and on the win.
 

tjintx

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May 27, 2012
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Does anyone here believe the grip and forearms can be firm while the wrists remain workable?
In other words....If your firm grip carries into your wrists locking them then a problem has been created. Usually moving the handle out of the palm and into the fingers keeps the wrists from locking. Once you know what it feels like you can adjust your grip...When many hitters are told to focus on the hands they immediately relax or tighten everything from finger tips to elbows.
It seems difficult to absorb but try it....
 

Greenmonsters

Wannabe Duck Boat Owner
Feb 21, 2009
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Does anyone here believe the grip and forearms can be firm while the wrists remain workable?
In other words....If your firm grip carries into your wrists locking them then a problem has been created. Usually moving the handle out of the palm and into the fingers keeps the wrists from locking. Once you know what it feels like you can adjust your grip...When many hitters are told to focus on the hands they immediately relax or tighten everything from finger tips to elbows.
It seems difficult to absorb but try it....

What do you see as the benefit of a firm grip?
 

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