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rdbass said:

I believe Noon(cheers) 'monitors' DFP. I'm not sure what would be the 'official' BB/A$$ gif. To be honest I never understood the concept.

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This is a good enough intro to coiling and a$$/bb if you care... at it's simplest... a$$/bb is just coiling with an added emphasis on core stability.

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See if this does anything for you... who doesn't like a little experiment!

Stand on your rear leg facing a wall. ( you can pretend to hold a bat ). Your front leg knee lifted up a bit, front foot off the ground. So you are balanced on your rear leg. From here you can do several different things to coil.

A) Bring your front hip back while pushing your rear butt cheek directly behind you. Your front knee will angle rearward and you stay balanced over your rear leg.

or

B) Don't move your front hip or knee back, and just sit into your rear hip and push your rear butt cheek directly behind you . Again you stay balanced over rear leg.

or

C) Don't move your front hip or knee back, and try to move the rear hip forward and around the back so that it is directly behind the front hip. This should get you coiled in the rear hip while also shifting your center of gravity such that you are no longer balanced over your rear leg and begin to move in the direction towards the pitcher.

I'd say A) is typical of those who use their front leg lift to push back and coil the rear hip... that's coil back...not good. B) is better than coiling back but usually results in a coil then hold and move forward action. Not ideal in that any time you have to hold or pause and action that is breaking the flow and not in sequence. C) is coiling forward or forward by coil.


For extra fun after you have done C) a few times try to have the hip action described while keeping your belly button pointed at the wall in front of you. (i.e. as your hips "close" while moving forward, don't let your belly button turn back) . I say this assuming that as your were trying it before, as your hips "closed" your torso above also closed and belly button and shoulders pointed rearward as well. So try it again with the intent to keep your belly button from turning back. Note what that does to your shoulder line as you move forward. You should get some lowering of the f ront shoulder while keeping the shoulders in line with the pitcher.

For extra extra fun, after you get some shoulder tilt happening from the belly button action happening on top of the hips coiling, put a bat in your hands and let them be reactive to the shoulder tilt..... when all said and done you may have barrel "tip" happening, with downward sloping shoulders, as you move forward without actually trying to "do" any of that... you were just coiling the rear hip behind the front hip while keeping your belly button from turning back.

Then you can feel the reptilian love of the Big Gila for yourself!

Noon, what is your preference for the rear leg adduction pressure? Should you apply that prior to "coiling" to initiate it or let the rear leg try and react to the coiling?

Buttermaker said:

Noon, what is your preference for the rear leg adduction pressure? Should you apply that prior to "coiling" to initiate it or let the rear leg try and react to the coiling?

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IMO apply it prior to coiling. That being said there is a range of time from "preset at the very beginning", to "applied during gather" the spans the prior to coiling.

a simple experiment I have played with is with good ol' socks on a smooth floor. RH batter... do no rear leg inward pressure action and just turn pelvis around rear leg until the foot slides... make note of how far you turned before the foot moved. Now start over and DO apply a Rear leg inward pressure action... inner thigh tension... PtJ..etc.... and now turn pelvis around rear leg until the foot slides....

in my experience you can 'see' and feel the foot turns sooner with the PtJ... the proper resistance is "lessening" the amount of pelvic turn needed to feel it in the foot. That's a good thing IMO. Means the rear leg is connected and reactive to the actions of the core.

NoonTime said:

IMO apply it prior to coiling. That being said there is a range of time from "preset at the very beginning", to "applied during gather" the spans the prior to coiling.

a simple experiment I have played with is with good ol' socks on a smooth floor. RH batter... do no rear leg inward pressure action and just turn pelvis around rear leg until the foot slides... make note of how far you turned before the foot moved. Now start over and DO apply a Rear leg inward pressure action... inner thigh tension... PtJ..etc.... and now turn pelvis around rear leg until the foot slides....

in my experience you can 'see' and feel the foot turns sooner with the PtJ... the proper resistance is "lessening" the amount of pelvic turn needed to feel it in the foot. That's a good thing IMO. Means the rear leg is connected and reactive to the actions of the core.

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I agree - I think the rear leg is adducting into the pelvis first even if you can't see it. The inner thigh muscles are tied to the core so this is a great way to get connected.

In the gather is where some players start applying before there is any coil



This could help the hitter that drifts back over the rear foot as part of her "load"

NoonTime said:

IMO apply it prior to coiling. That being said there is a range of time from "preset at the very beginning", to "applied during gather" the spans the prior to coiling.

a simple experiment I have played with is with good ol' socks on a smooth floor. RH batter... do no rear leg inward pressure action and just turn pelvis around rear leg until the foot slides... make note of how far you turned before the foot moved. Now start over and DO apply a Rear leg inward pressure action... inner thigh tension... PtJ..etc.... and now turn pelvis around rear leg until the foot slides....

in my experience you can 'see' and feel the foot turns sooner with the PtJ... the proper resistance is "lessening" the amount of pelvic turn needed to feel it in the foot. That's a good thing IMO. Means the rear leg is connected and reactive to the actions of the core.

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Thx for stopping in Noon !!! The Kid is Hitting :{)) Did this with a CF6 Sprit -11 32x29... regulation tourney, this Aug...dates wrong on camera.. She was on a 14U team playin a 99 team :{))

https://youtu.be/iOawUKoscu0

I showed her the bat flip video again !!!

no noon...

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Perfect Circle said:

no noon...

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Barrel path should tell you what you need to know on this swing. Is that the bat/barrel path a hitter wants for a pitch down the middle. Your DD needs to learn how to use her hands independent of shoulder rotation(shouldn't be following the shoulders around should be out from). You & your DD seem to be mixing too many hitting styles. I wouldn't be worrying about her lower. I would be focusing on her upper(For the record I believe teaching the sequence as a whole).Your DD needs to learn to use her hands.
Added:This seems to be your DD model lower body-wise(pigeon toed).

I agree with RD. Shoulder rotation is an issue. Swinging around your body vs swinging "out from" your body. SNF may be helpful. Also deep tee (have her line up with the tee splitting her body and hit from there)


This is a little exaggerated but can you feel the "out from" as opposed to the "around"?




PS: That is the most beautiful, sharp swing gif/video I have ever seen. You are a rockstar!

PPS: IMO I see definite improvement from the last tee swings posted. Keep it up!

When RDBass says she needs to learn to use her hands, I agree (I also think she has a very usable swing that should evolve very well to a very high level with continued work).

What I tell and show girls these days is how to "work the handle" -- ie, use their hands -- to get the barrel where they want it when it needs to be there. It often involves playing around with more of a vertical floated barrel vs. the sort of barrel wrap your daughter has today and a tip that ends up in front of the head rather than behind it. Her very big elbow jut would probably change a bit as well as she plays around with these feelings and ideas.

I don't require any of those things or have a specific style they need to work to but rather ask girls to play around with all of that to *learn* how to use their hands to work the barrel and then end up with something that works for them.

Here you go Sparty... right click to download

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