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Oct 25, 2009
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It goes back to the whole issue of isolating something out of context. That drill that is shown is to get a feel for turning the barrel. It is simply step one of a series. Take that action as a first move and put it on the correct lower body action and you will no longer see a barrel dump but a barrel turn to contact. That is the theory anyway. My kids are still works in progress. But I have seen goood before and after results from others doing the same thing.

There are many ways to teach I guess. To each his own. But that particular video (in isolation) deserves a spot in the hall. IMO, of course.
 

JJsqueeze

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I agree with this, but I must also say that this is not the only site with posters guilty of that. Seems like some people get a pass, while others don't.

That is why this thread should be for videos that show poor instruction, meaning clips that actually show an instructor describing something that is patently false, like you want the barrel to come through level, once you get into the realm of gifs with no audio, or a 30 second clip of a single drill then the context is lost. Especially when we get into the subtleties of people who agree on what a good swing is but differ on how to teach it.
 

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There are many ways to teach I guess. To each his own. But that particular video (in isolation) deserves a spot in the hall. IMO, of course.

Sorry....it has to go on the ballot and needs 75% HOS approval before being accepted any members not present cannot vote and voting closes at 6pm Pacific time.

the current inductees are (with my vote in caps)-

TM- "Barrel turn"-NEAH
FFS-"12 hours of crickets chirping to represent the fact that he never posts actual content of himself or a student/offspring"-YEAH
Girl shifting weight and chopping- YEAH
Crystl Bustos showing a barrel turn in her actual swing then instructing a parallel path- YEAH
The fence drill as a general drill- YEAH
The fence drill as a drill to hit an inside pitch-NEAH

I yield the floor to the rest of you glorious bastards of softball.
 
Nov 6, 2013
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Sorry....it has to go on the ballot and needs 75% HOS approval before being accepted any members not present cannot vote and voting closes at 6pm Pacific time.

the current inductees are (with my vote in caps)-

TM- "Barrel turn"-NEAH
FFS-"12 hours of crickets chirping to represent the fact that he never posts actual content of himself or a student/offspring"-YEAH
Girl shifting weight and chopping- YEAH
Crystl Bustos showing a barrel turn in her actual swing then instructing a parallel path- YEAH
The fence drill as a general drill- YEAH
The fence drill as a drill to hit an inside pitch-NEAH

I yield the floor to the rest of you glorious bastards of softball.

I think you're on to the truth. From what I've heard recently from baseball/softball hitting conferences, It's mostly about vision. Those with better than 20/20 and young are those who rock the ball. As they age and their eyesight decreases, so does their batting average. Go ahead, kick it on me.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
We do see things differently. I think that anyone contributing advice should be willing to show real world examples of themselves, their student or their kid executing the instruction.

Just my opinion mind you ... but you haven't shown anything that would demonstrate credibility. Showing a sample swing that you have worked with, that has multiple issues, isn't a vote of confidence. That said ... I could care less, because in the end I would pass the information through a litmus test and judge the information on its own merit. Hence I'm open to a discussion, and consider the posts on crickets chirping a waste of bandwidth. Let's try to stick to the topic of hitting. I'm certainly game for that.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
Show a little restraint FFS- you know there is a whole contingent of folks on here who agree with the HI content. Why not keep this thread clean of the wars and post videos that you know we all agree is HOS worthy. Otherwise this just devolves again.

Didn't mean to start a war. I just think those particular videos are horrendous! Maybe it makes sense in some context but I don't see it in the videos. And that's a young kid so I don't see where he would have anything to relate it to. He's going to believe that's the basic swing. Maybe an advanced batter, who already knows how to swing, could get something from it.

There is no war ... simply a discussion. You are discussing the topic without emotion and believe the notion of teaching late lead arm pronation is wrong. TM got a lot correct, but even he would suggest that such teaching be questioned.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
I was referring to the clips FFS posted. Are you referring to those, also? I don't see a correlation between those and the ones in your post. The bat in the ones FFS posted is near vertical.

I don't see a correlation between those and the ones in your post.
You don't?
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Like I said...I disagree with you...and I'm sure others will disagree with me.....

While the full swing is a good example, I don't see the demonstration on the right as part of the full swing on the left. IMO the example on the right certainly belongs in a thread titled the "Hitting video Hall of Shame".
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Didn't mean to start a war. I just think those particular videos are horrendous! Maybe it makes sense in some context but I don't see it in the videos. And that's a young kid so I don't see where he would have anything to relate it to. He's going to believe that's the basic swing. Maybe an advanced batter, who already knows how to swing, could get something from it.

It goes back to the whole issue of isolating something out of context. That drill that is shown is to get a feel for turning the barrel. It is simply step one of a series. Take that action as a first move and put it on the correct lower body action and you will no longer see a barrel dump but a barrel turn to contact. That is the theory anyway. My kids are still works in progress. But I have seen goood before and after results from others doing the same thing.

Out of context?

You haven’t been around for long.

TM went on to advocate late lead-arm pronation … what you see here … the showing of the non-hairy portion (underside) of the lead-arm to the pitcher.



Please support it … looking forward to seeing you post verification with game swings of professionals displaying late lead-arm pronation.
 

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