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What do you see here? Lower back action? Or do you see hip rotation? Or do you see front leg external rotation?

JuanFrancisco1_footplant.gif
 
Jul 10, 2008
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What do you see here? Lower back action? Or do you see hip rotation? Or do you see front leg external rotation?

JuanFrancisco1_footplant.gif

I'm getting this better now. The back hip doesn't drive into contact, it's pulled into contact/resisting the pull of the lower back initially. As I'm standing here in my living room doing this (my daughter and her friend think I'm nuts), there really isn't a hip driving forward, meaning the back hip doesn't provide the power.

MTS, what is the role of the back leg now? It feels like it does some work, but could you explain it again or clarify my thinking on this?
 
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Yes - IMO the rear hip/leg get sucked into each other (coil) as the lower back twists back (resisting) and the moment the lower back resistance is gone the hips just explode. At about the same time the rear scap should get clamped down.....the back hip is not a power producing in the sense that it drives the swing....the rear hip leads and provides a corner (HI term) for the barrel to get pulled around....

BUT, you can short circuit this by not learning how to stay behind the rear leg. Meaning you can miss clamping the scap down if you don't learn how to launch rearward....there is lot of pull going on and more you can resist by launching rearward (turning the triangle) the more you can get behind the rear leg and the more explosive the swing....

This is too rushed....

SnF2G_zps6d39e2ff.gif


I short circuited the swing by not launching rearward - I allowed my hips to pull my hands through too soon...my hands start down too soon....I did not allow my scap to get clamped down....no corner...
 
Jul 10, 2008
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Are these GIFs (this is NOT my GIFs, I forget who these belong to - I apologize for not giving proper credit) what you're talking about "getting the scap clamped down"?

Stretch & Fire 1.jpgStretch & Fire 2.jpg

(I saved these before I understood them. Never know when the lightbulb will go off.)
 
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Yes - IMO the rear hip/leg get sucked into each other (coil) as the lower back twists back (resisting) and the moment the lower back resistance is gone the hips just explode. At about the same time the rear scap should get clamped down.....the back hip is not a power producing in the sense that it drives the swing....the rear hip leads and provides a corner (HI term) for the barrel to get pulled around....

BUT, you can short circuit this by not learning how to stay behind the rear leg. Meaning you can miss clamping the scap down if you don't learn how to launch rearward....there is lot of pull going on and more you can resist by launching rearward (turning the triangle) the more you can get behind the rear leg and the more explosive the swing....

This is too rushed....

SnF2G_zps6d39e2ff.gif


I short circuited the swing by not launching rearward - I allowed my hips to pull my hands through too soon...my hands start down too soon....I did not allow my scap to get clamped down....no corner...




MT
I see exactly what you are talking about here.

What muscle do you see starting the swing?
Do you have that vid of Albert falling down in batting practice?


SL
 
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It has become increasingly clear to me that elite hitters use their lower back in a way that has people seeing hip coiling and hip rotation as the key driver in a swing.

Meaning that you can mimic positions using the hips, but in reality the elite players are using their lower back to initiate movement.

If you are willing to swing the bat with an open mind and can self analyze without prejudice you will inevitably find that once you learn how to twist the lower back - your hips and rear leg have absolutely no choice but to provide resistance. It is the IR of the rear leg and rear hip joint that provides this resistance against the lower back pull back....

I will be providing clips to support my position on this - but I encourage anyone who is experimenting with the SnF, rear leg swings, etc to try initiating movement with the lower back...

It's increasingly clear, that you have no knowledge whatsoever, as to how the body moves.

It is true that muscles in the lower back get activated, but your statement above is full of errors.

Which muscle of the many in the lower back, are you referring to, and how do they work in a swing?
 
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Most would see this as hip action....but IMO the lower back is what creates this movement...

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Most, would be correct, and you would be incorrect.

Specifically WHAT movement are you talking about? The hips are making one, and the lower back is doing another.
 
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What do you see here? Lower back action? Or do you see hip rotation? Or do you see front leg external rotation?

JuanFrancisco1_footplant.gif

His back leg mostly abducts, the muscles that attach from the pelvic bone to the ribs are holding his upper body back as the pelvis rotates. Once the pelvis rotates to a certain point, the muscles in the lower back and core area contract and pull the shoulders around.

There are muscles on each side of the lower back. The ones on the rear side (near the catcher) contract and hold the shoulders while the pelvis turns. Then, the ones on the front side contract and pull the shoulders around.
 
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OK - I have no knowledge whatsoever as to how the body moves but its true that muscles in the lower back get activated...but my statement is full of errors....

Why don't you fill me in? Do you disagree that the hips and rear leg resist when the lower back twists away from the pitcher? Or do you think that the hips and rear leg should twist away as well....

And now since you cannot really refute anything I have posted in this comment but you don't agree with me I have to provide more details for you....yeah - I don't think so....you need to refute what I have said with something more then your previous efforts (meaning every swing I have seen from you isn't even close to anything that could be considered above average)


It's increasingly clear, that you have no knowledge whatsoever, as to how the body moves.

It is true that muscles in the lower back get activated, but your statement above is full of errors.

Which muscle of the many in the lower back, are you referring to, and how do they work in a swing?
 

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