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rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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Hey, you, this FFS guy, when you get sometime around here then you can give........
Welcome back and thanks for all your help in the past ,now and in the future. You have been missed. I tried to help out but, honestly I'm no FFS. CARRY ON.
 
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I don't know....the words you are using makes it sound to me like you are not quite getting it....so maybe you should not be advising....

Rdbass ...

A1: Correct ... both feet should ideally be pointed towards the pitcher during the setup with the 90-degree SnF drill.

A2: Correct ... during the stretch the front foot will tend to turn in as you describe.

A3: The right foot will tend to remain pointing towards the pitcher. This is part of learning the functionality of the rear leg.

A4: In terms of hip turn ... I view this as a good opportunity to select the rear hip usage as a point-of-emphasis ... that being the 'around and over' action ... the 'around' on the coiling and the 'over' that accompanies one's normal 'lateral tilt'. I feel this is easiest learned from the 45-degree SnF drill. From the 90-degree SnF drill you may wish to concentrate more on the action of the rear lower back. In fact, a common cue I'll use during the 90-degree SnF drill is "lower back and hands".

A5: Do the hips turn back as far as possible? ... not necessarily ... or at least not for me. I only feel the need to rotate rearward enough to feel the full range of 'around' motion ... and have never felt the need to continue counter routing to the point where I take that full range of motion considerably further, which I could physically do, but would feel no power generation from doing so. Basically ... satisfy the 'around' full range of motion.
 
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You have more experience then I do with HI - but I don't think this:

I view this as a good opportunity to select the rear hip usage as a point-of-emphasis ... that being the 'around and over' action ... the 'around' on the coiling and the 'over' that accompanies one's normal 'lateral tilt'.

makes much sense wrt my conversations with Rich or anything I have read and most importantly what I have come to feel while doing this drill.

and this:

From the 90-degree SnF drill you may wish to concentrate more on the action of the rear lower back. In fact, a common cue I'll use during the 90-degree SnF drill is "lower back and hands".

sounds like you in the zip code but not on the right street.....instead of asking me to tell you - you should try explaining this in greater detail.

Be more specific ... include some examples of how you would describe things differently.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Fair enough. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

With the 90-degree SnF drill my emphasis is typically with the "lower back" and "hands".

With the 45-degree SnF drill my emphasis will vary, but one particular point-of-emphasis that a hitter can learn to connect with from this orientation is the 'around' and 'over' action.
 
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The Fielder clip and this one are not about the rear upper leg driving the rear hip anywhere....

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Aug 29, 2011
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Dallas, TX
TM and Tewks have some fantastic stuff and Brooke has benefited from it. The reason I posted about how loud the ball is off Brooke's bat is because that's the true difference in doing what TM and Tewk talk about, the sound is totally different. I can tell how she's going to hit just by watching her rear hip action, when she does it right it's going to be a flat out missile, when she doesn't it's going to be a ok hit, HUGE difference in whip and power. TM always said the whip is behind and not out front and he couldn't be more right.

I go back and look at some of Brooke's older swings that I thought were her best, they were good at the time, but they are so bad compared to where she is right now. Like the gif of her swinging outside on our patio thats posted on here, that swing is nothing like her swing now. The gif of her in all black is the best swing she had ever taken up to that point, TM called me out on it and he was right.
That is the in game swing we were after. She's gotten pretty consistent bringing it into games now and she's hit some head turners with D1'S watching and taping her.

Like I've said before I've learned from every camp/site out there and I've always acknowleded it. TM and Tewks have hit the ball out of the park when it comes to the SnF. IMO the way Howard Carrier and his camp teach dynamic loading is also an absolute. The worse thing people can do is block themselves from information because they are afraid to learn or be ridiculed. I still firmly believe that no one has all the answers but I also believe if you pick and choose wisely that you will find your answer.

Please help me out here. If the whip is behind, which is what I thought everyone was saying, I can see how this swing can work in HS ball, or 16U perhaps. But help me out because of expectations at higher levels. Why? Well if your bat barrel is moving behind the rear leg, and the bat barrel is arcing as shown above, then how does this work with moving pitches, or changes of speed. The barrel is committed earlier. The barrel isn't whipped until the hands move forward of the hip in what straightleg, Howard, or what I teach. The load is maintained until that point since the barrel IDEALLY, doesn't leave connection with the shoulder to that point. So how will this play out on moving pitches and change-ups?
 
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