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redhotcoach

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At 5'4, 110....if she hits the wall, we will both be thrilled. She is a fast learner so I hope to re-post soon. This is great stuff. Dad couldn't convince her that her stance was too wide so maybe now she will listen. The clip is short, as I cut off her separation of her hands early in her swing. That is one thing we got resolved last year. The hip "bump" is one I was missing. I have to keep telling her even though it feels uncomforatable now, it will be natural later.

IMO you should make sure you understand what the hip bump is...Just a few weeks back MTS was prescribing hip bump....I was like "wth are you talking about?" I was thinking he meant a linear "hip slide". Hyp chimed in and said "years back he practiced with mlb ers and they were talking hip bump." He was also wth are you talking about?
It is confusing...it is not a hip slide...it is a continual hip coil, an extra coil at end...you see it in some mlb swings. Still confusing.

I should say "make sure you understand BEFORE you are concerned with teaching it."
 
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One thing about the hip bump is to not make it too rotational....that is why I call it a hip bump....if a player is in a good athletic stance a hip bump is a coiled move getting more pressure into the front side....if a player is too straight in posture then a hip bump would be a hip slide...but I also am not saying that it is simply a turning the hips back and forth....you could think of it as not opening the hips until the back leg makes them open....

IMO you should make sure you understand what the hip bump is...Just a few weeks back MTS was prescribing hip bump....I was like "wth are you talking about?" I was thinking he meant a linear "hip slide". Hyp chimed in and said "years back he practiced with mlb ers and they were talking hip bump." He was also wth are you talking about?
It is confusing...it is not a hip slide...it is a continual hip coil, an extra coil at end...you see it in some mlb swings. Still confusing.

I should say "make sure you understand BEFORE you are concerned with teaching it."
 
Sep 17, 2009
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It is confusing...it is not a hip slide...it is a continual hip coil, an extra coil at end...you see it in some mlb swings. Still confusing.

Yeah I try to follow these conversations closely but I still don't get the hip bump. I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand but it doesn't feel essential to me at this point.

For op hitter, big thing i would focus on is having her rear leg action and coil lift her front leg and dictate her stride timing and length. Almost like on a string, the backside is in control of the stride via the coil/load. She's a good athlete and starting at a good place. Don't be satisfied with current results and don't be afraid of her slowly, ie not in one big download, learning more about how her body and her swing (should) work...
 
Jun 17, 2009
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At 5'4, 110....if she hits the wall, we will both be thrilled. She is a fast learner so I hope to re-post soon. This is great stuff. Dad couldn't convince her that her stance was too wide so maybe now she will listen. The clip is short, as I cut off her separation of her hands early in her swing. That is one thing we got resolved last year. The hip "bump" is one I was missing. I have to keep telling her even though it feels uncomforatable now, it will be natural later.

Yes, the swing clip is short ... and it cuts off a problem that folks could help you with. You may have worked on her separation last year, but the solution wasn't a good one.

Her hands go 'back', not 'rearward', but 'back', too early ....

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From here her hands leak forward ....

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She doesn't have a sense of 'stretch' or of winding/coiling her body. She is ill prepared to throw the barrel ... to launch the barrel via Stretch-and-Fire mechanics.

It is a sequence issue, and you'll want to address it if you want her swing to scale for facing better pitching.


Here's an example of someone who has tackled the issue head on ... and I believe that is why RHC posted this for you earlier on.

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In the example the hands don't leak forward without turning the barrel. That is very different than your daughter's mechanics ... hugely different.
 
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Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
Yeah I try to follow these conversations closely but I still don't get the hip bump. I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand but it doesn't feel essential to me at this point.

For op hitter, big thing i would focus on is having her rear leg action and coil lift her front leg and dictate her stride timing and length. Almost like on a string, the backside is in control of the stride via the coil/load. She's a good athlete and starting at a good place. Don't be satisfied with current results and don't be afraid of her slowly, ie not in one big download, learning more about how her body and her swing (should) work...

Two different "hip bumps" were described ... and that may be part of the confusion.

One action that was referred to as a "hip bump" was "forward-by-coiling" ..... think of it in terms of a right-handed batter bumping their front/left hip towards the defensive second-baser ... "forward-by-coiling".

Another action that was referred to as a "hip bump" (not the usage I use for this particular action, but I can understand the reference) is the twisting that occurs immediately following the "forward-by-coil" in which the rear hip is reversed in the direction towards the pitcher as the rear lat scrunches (lateral tilt).

Two different, and important, portions of the swing ... that were referred to by the same name by different people.
 
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RayR

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Rich, when I said this:

you could think of it as not opening the hips until the back leg makes them open...

Can you see it here?

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And here?

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and not here?

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Just watching the back leg...



Yeah I try to follow these conversations closely but I still don't get the hip bump. I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand but it doesn't feel essential to me at this point.

For op hitter, big thing i would focus on is having her rear leg action and coil lift her front leg and dictate her stride timing and length. Almost like on a string, the backside is in control of the stride via the coil/load. She's a good athlete and starting at a good place. Don't be satisfied with current results and don't be afraid of her slowly, ie not in one big download, learning more about how her body and her swing (should) work...
 
Sep 17, 2009
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Visual is in the front hip?

Sorry to be dense.

What's the point? Is it an active movement hitter creates or a result of good rear hip action? Do you teach it?

How does it relate to another similar term tossed around ... Forward press.

Tks....
 
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RayR

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Never heard of the term forward press. Yes, visual is the front hip, but movement is created by the back leg IMO (at least how I teach it) shifting pressure or weight to the front leg as part of "throwing" the barrel, but hitters have to learn how the front leg accepts this shift before the hips rotate....I am trying different ways to describe, sorry....

Separation that people use as a description is incomplete...hands just don't go back as hitter strides....there needs to be the start off a throwing action of the lower body as the hands are still in the process of winding up....

FFS used to have a clip of an older golfer throwing a golf club....this is pretty much the same action that you would (or should) use to throw a ball....
 

HYP

Nov 17, 2012
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Visual is in the front hip?

Sorry to be dense.

What's the point? Is it an active movement hitter creates or a result of good rear hip action? Do you teach it?

How does it relate to another similar term tossed around ... Forward press.

Tks....

It is a rear hip action. It increases the coil IMO. I only teach it if they don't do it. I try to use rear hip/rear leg cues but some just don't get that, so I use different cues and examples hoping something sticks.

Can you describe forward press? If you are saying a pressing the front foot into the ground then no. Notice this hitter still has not pressed her front foot into the ground.
 

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