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HYP

Nov 17, 2012
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Yes, it does. As I've said before, the leg/foot is what primarily initiates the swing. Very powerfully, very briefly! Instantly, the hip/upper leg takes over. The knee is bent at this point. The hamstring as much as any other part of the leg kicks in automatically, a no teach. Hip drive, not leg drive is a better teaching cue. Leg drive cue causes many players to try to push the hip with a straight leg no matter how much you tell them to drive the knee as a workaround. It's just a bad cue.

PS: I do try what is suggested by the way. Have you tried laying on your side and thrusting the hip without the aid of the foot on the ground?

I was explaining what happens, what I teach. Not how I teach it or explain it to a student standing in front of me.

Rotate the hips or uncoil are also very damaging cues if the high level swing is your goal.
 

redhotcoach

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May 8, 2009
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Yes, it does. As I've said before, the leg/foot is what primarily initiates the swing. Very powerfully, very briefly! Instantly, the hip/upper leg takes over. The knee is bent at this point. The hamstring as much as any other part of the leg kicks in automatically, a no teach. Hip drive, not leg drive is a better teaching cue. Leg drive cue causes many players to try to push the hip with a straight leg no matter how much you tell them to drive the knee as a workaround. It's just a bad cue.

PS: I do try what is suggested by the way. Have you tried laying on your side and thrusting the hip without the aid of the foot on the ground?

Well you don't just tell a hitter "leg drive" then leave. Cue are used as a "cue" to something you have taught.

Oh yeah. I did try it. I felt my front hip anchoring the ground.

I'll try again next time I lay down and play ball.
 
Oct 25, 2009
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I was explaining what happens, what I teach. Not how I teach it or explain it to a student standing in front of me.

Rotate the hips or uncoil are also very damaging cues if the high level swing is your goal.

I agree with that. But I use the cue "rotate, don't spin" to negate the spinning/undesired rotation. I believe you are saying that the rotation is just part of cause and effect of a more linear swing. If that's the context I'm with you.
 

redhotcoach

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I agree with that. But I use the cue "rotate, don't spin" to negate the spinning/undesired rotation. I believe you are saying that the rotation is just part of cause and effect of a more linear swing. If that's the context I'm with you.

After spinning is fixed, I believe forcefully rotating the hips with the hips and core usually ends up in a push swing. Can have good success, but it is not a high level type rear side pull.
 
Oct 25, 2009
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After spinning is fixed, I believe forcefully rotating the hips with the hips and core usually ends up in a push swing. Can have good success, but it is not a high level type rear side pull.

I agree with that. "Forcefully rotating the hips" would be a spin, IMO. The rotation will occur as a result of hip thrust. Assuming, of course, that hip rotation is not restricted; the other end of the flaw.
 

redhotcoach

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I hope you understand my confusion.

softballphreak quote:
he hip, of course, has it's own muscles, and those muscles combined with the core muscles create a very explosive rotation (not spin). The core muscles (inner abs?) are very involved here.

softballphreak quote:
"Forcefully rotating the hips" would be a spin,

Ok. once again. I am done.

Si Robertson OUT...thats a fact jack!
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Oct 25, 2009
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I hope you understand my confusion.

softballphreak quote:


softballphreak quote:


Ok. once again. I am done.

Si Robertson OUT...thats a fact jack!
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My bad! Explosive rotation isn't accurate. Let's try "Explosive hip movement toward the ball resulting in unintended but unavoidable hip rotation. As evidenced by all elite hitters."
 
Oct 10, 2011
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Those are some great shots red hot.

HYP i drew it out on paper, and i see the path you talk about .
However, when i look at the front veiw of your clips, the back hip, goes in a straight line, in the coil foward.
the front hip closes a bit, more so in some mleaguers than others, then the front hip begins to open, with a severe pinch on the front side, just like it had on the backside, it hits this strong resistance and the front hip deflects back. The back side is releasing, by then, because i can see the rear foot, being dragged foward. ( i get lost on how the back hip can keep resistance with nothing to push against, so it must be from just clenching the muscles in the hip area that keeps the pressure in this area).

Bottom line is, the rear hip goes in a lineal direction , the front side rotates and counter rotates.

Front side views, and some REAR side views, and more top views, would be good to look at. I am also interested in the ANGLE of the hips during all of the swing.
 

HYP

Nov 17, 2012
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I agree with that. "Forcefully rotating the hips" would be a spin, IMO. The rotation will occur as a result of hip thrust. Assuming, of course, that hip rotation is not restricted; the other end of the flaw.

I do not believe the rear hip thrusts. If the cue works for you then it works for you. I believe what I stated before. The rear hip and leg are at max stretch away from the hands/barrel. The rear hip/leg over power the resistance of the hands/barrel and then the rear hip pops/thrusts forward. So. IMO, it doesn't thrust it gets thrust when the resistance is released.
 

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