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HYP

Nov 17, 2012
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Would this crude drawing spell out the differences of the direction of the rear hip?

Rearhip.jpg

Yes.......
 

HYP

Nov 17, 2012
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If I drive North, then circle toward the East, then circle toward the South, the circle toward the West, then circle toward the North, I may think I'm moving in the same direction (forward) but I certainly am not.

I coil my hip backward while loading; I hold that coil (load) until I'm ready to unload (uncoil).

One can imagine a feeling anyway they wish but to communicate it to a player you have to at least maintain some logic. I understand this is the Technical thread but this falls outside of Technical.

You are still headed forward unless you put it in reverse. The vehicle is still headed forward. Is a tire on a car that is moving forward always moving in the same direction? What if I put a mark on the tire? The mark moves from the bottom, to the front, to the top, to the rear and then to the bottom but it is still moving in the same direction. It doesn't change direction until the vehicle stops and restarts in reverse.

So, you just tell players to turn their hips closed and then when ready unturn them really hard?
 

HYP

Nov 17, 2012
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Which is why I would never attempt that approach!

Just looking at the batter he used as a model is all I need to see to understand that the hip most certainly rotates differently than the way it is described. One can't continue to hold a coil, the hip must rotate. That is just the basic mechanics of a swing. There is no pure linear nor pure rotation.

I'm surprised jbooth hasn't come on to help clear this up.

Because he would tell you that the rear hip moves in a linear fashion and that the spine gets shifted back out of the way and that technically the hips turn around the lower spine but the lower spine is shifted out of the way which allows the rear hip to follow a somewhat linear path.

He would also tell you that the rear femur moving down and forward under the rear hip forces the pelvis open.
 

HYP

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I believe that depends on the direction of your hip. The muscles tighten either way. Different muscles, but more or less the same area.

When I think of coil I think of winding up; away from the pitch.

Away from the plate and then keeps going the same direction and then eventually winds up going back to the ball from the inside.
 
Oct 25, 2009
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You are still headed forward unless you put it in reverse. The vehicle is still headed forward. Is a tire on a car that is moving forward always moving in the same direction? What if I put a mark on the tire? The mark moves from the bottom, to the front, to the top, to the rear and then to the bottom but it is still moving in the same direction. It doesn't change direction until the vehicle stops and restarts in reverse.

So, you just tell players to turn their hips closed and then when ready unturn them really hard?

I am a fan of loading via a kick stride-type movement. That helps load the hip. Then I teach to drive the hip toward the ball. The rotation that occurs is the result of that drive; not to be confused with a spin-type move, but not pure linear either. Both the spin and the pure linear attempt are flaws. I tell some players to lift the ball with their hips. I had a girl this past weekend hit three over a 200' fence using that cue. More than her total for the past few years.

The type of rotation I'm speaking of is obvious in the above video clips.
 
Oct 25, 2009
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Because he would tell you that the rear hip moves in a linear fashion and that the spine gets shifted back out of the way and that technically the hips turn around the lower spine but the lower spine is shifted out of the way which allows the rear hip to follow a somewhat linear path.

He would also tell you that the rear femur moving down and forward under the rear hip forces the pelvis open.

I'm not so sure he would tell me that the femur is moving the hip; rather the hip is causing the femur to shift. If the femur were moving the hip through leg drive wouldn't the leg have to be straight rather than bent at the knee as all batters' knees are?
 

redhotcoach

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I'm not so sure he would tell me that the femur is moving the hip; rather the hip is causing the femur to shift. If the femur were moving the hip through leg drive wouldn't the leg have to be straight rather than bent at the knee as all batters' knees are?

PLEASE TRY just one of the things I have asked!

Put your weight on your rear leg. Turn in your femur/knee. Resist turning your rear side lower back. Your hip goes forward!
 
Oct 25, 2009
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PLEASE TRY just one of the things I have asked!

Put your weight on your rear leg. Turn in your femur/knee. Resist turning your rear side lower back. Your hip goes forward!

Yes, it does. As I've said before, the leg/foot is what primarily initiates the swing. Very powerfully, very briefly! Instantly, the hip/upper leg takes over. The knee is bent at this point. The hamstring as much as any other part of the leg kicks in automatically, a no teach. Hip drive, not leg drive is a better teaching cue. Leg drive cue causes many players to try to push the hip with a straight leg no matter how much you tell them to drive the knee as a workaround. It's just a bad cue.

PS: I do try what is suggested by the way. Have you tried laying on your side and thrusting the hip without the aid of the foot on the ground?

I can thrust my knee without my hip moving. I can't thrust my hip without my knee moving.
 
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HYP

Nov 17, 2012
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I'm not so sure he would tell me that the femur is moving the hip; rather the hip is causing the femur to shift. If the femur were moving the hip through leg drive wouldn't the leg have to be straight rather than bent at the knee as all batters' knees are?

Nope, if the rear knee is moving down is it not moving forward? Would it not be moving the femur forward under the rear hip?
 

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