Stopping shoulder rotation in swing

My daughter has a tendency to just open up in the swing to the point that her Chest is facing the pitcher. Shouldn't the up body rotate to where the rear should would almost face the pitcher or does this depend on pitch location?

clemenslee1 said:

My daughter has a tendency to just open up in the swing to the point that her Chest is facing the pitcher. Shouldn't the up body rotate to where the rear should would almost face the pitcher or does this depend on pitch location?

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She sounds like an aggressive hitter. Don't take that away! I would only worry if her hips/pelvis would rotate all the way around on an outside pitch just like we should on an inside pitch. Hips are the direction. There's a gif of Posey floating around here where it shows him swinging at in/mid/out.

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clemenslee1 said:

My daughter has a tendency to just open up in the swing to the point that her Chest is facing the pitcher. Shouldn't the up body rotate to where the rear should would almost face the pitcher or does this depend on pitch location?

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I see a lot of young developing hitters over doing upper body resistance such that their shoulders stop rotating once they are square with the pitcher. Compare that to a lot of the MLB players where you see their numbers on the back of their shirt from the opposite batter's box in their follow through ... as in the photo you included.

Originally the shoulders are resisting being rotated by the torso engine. The hands and arms will lag behind.

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However, you actually want the lead shoulder to become opened up quickly ... and so that resistance in the shoulders is released and the shoulders will in a sense snap forward.

FiveFrameSwing said:

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I see a lot of young developing hitters over doing upper body resistance such that their shoulders stop rotating once they are square with the pitcher. Compare that to a lot of the MLB players where you see their numbers on the back of their shirt from the opposite batter's box in their follow through ... as in the photo you included.

Originally the shoulders are resisting being rotated by the torso engine. The hands and arms will lag behind.

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Exactly what I notice in my DD swing. Since there is this resistance it creates this sort of flip of the barrel and hands across the body. Instead of staying through and behind the ball. Also cause the lead arm to roll instead of staying up. I thought that maybe is was a lower half issue as well.

clemenslee1 said:

Exactly what I notice in my DD swing. Since there is this resistance it creates this sort of flip of the barrel and hands across the body. Instead of staying through and behind the ball. Also cause the lead arm to roll instead of staying up. I thought that maybe is was a lower half issue as well.

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The lead-arm is taken care of with both engines.

A hitter gets 'on plane' very early in their swing ... while the bat is still up and above the hands. The lead-arm is a 'swinger' ... the upper lead-arm (humerus) needs to be put on plane ... as the swing progresses, the forearm will align with the upper lead-arm and the bat will align with the lead forearm ... all three sticks will align in a 'swing' ... upper arm, lower arm, and bat ... in a sense creating a 'lever' through impact.

Again, the upper lead-arm is put on plane with both engines. One end of the upper lead-arm is controlled by the torso-engine ... the lead lat will be pulled upwards and out, controlling one end of the upper lead-arm. The hands/forearms will control the other end of the upper lead-arm in what is effectively a leveraged action (i.e., the hand/forearm action is applied to a lead-arm being pulled by the torso-engine). Together, and with synchronization, the two engines align the upper lead-arm to the perception of where the ball will be located at impact.

What you describe with the lead-arm rolling over is an issue of not using both engines properly with synchronization.

"SHOULDER SNAP" Oh no, who knew! So is there 3 distinctive snaps? What is the order of the snaps? Can it vary?

But back to OP question: When her stride foot lands pitcher should still be able to see her numbers to various degree. If she is opening before stride foot plants she has a problem. Posey gif is good.

Rolling Hard said:

"SHOULDER SNAP" Oh no, who knew! So is there 3 distinctive snaps? What is the order of the snaps? Can it vary?

But back to OP question: When her stride foot lands pitcher should still be able to see her numbers to various degree. If she is opening before stride foot plants she has a problem. Posey gif is good.

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Be specific. There are various segments in a swing that 'resist' and then 'release', giving an action that could be roughly described as a 'snap'. What "3 distinctive snaps" are you speaking of?

The issue that the OP originally spoke of can be thought of as the avoidance of a catapulting action through impact.

As you watch the video below, keep in mind that a golfer posts 'up' whereas a softball/baseball hitter posts 'back' ... due to the difference of where the ball being impacted is located. Therefore to obtain a similar catapulting action described by this golfing instructor, the lead elbow would need to be pulled 'back' as the barrel is brought through impact.

The barrel moves in the opposite direction of the lead shoulder. The fastest way to move your front shoulder is to initially resist being elevated/rotated and then release that resistance.