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May 12, 2016
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Spot on. For some girls it is a way to trick them into using a proper sequence.

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Yes, that's what I noticed, she seemed to be in sequence more
 
Jun 17, 2009
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What is being discussed is basically a form of 'forward press'. You'll find various forms of 'forward press' approaches in use throughout various levels of the game ... including MLB. In a nutshell ... a 'forward press' can lead to an improvement in the 'back swing', which can lead to an improvement in the 'forward swing'.
 

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Jun 5, 2010
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Not here.
It wasn't a band-aide.. the coach was genuinely working on this with the team not with the intention to improve swing mechanics. I observed that my DD's swing seemed to generate more bat speed and there was better sequence



Thanks

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Yeah, OK... big difference between a coach 'lobbing' the ball and real pitcher. Keep us posted.
Figure out what's missing.
I stand by my comment of 'figure it out'.
he coach was genuinely working on this with the team not with the intention to improve swing mechanics
What was the coach 'working on'? Either getting the other team hurt or trying to fool them......
Sounds like a band-aide for the whole team.
Like I said, try and figure it out before it's to late......
 
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May 12, 2016
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Yeah, OK... big difference between a coach 'lobbing' the ball and real pitcher. Keep us posted.
LOL.. It was only soft toss.. yet still I could see an improvement, which is exactly what I said. Didn't say she was going to start parking the ball every game..

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I stand by my comment of 'figure it out'.
Still obvious...

What was the coach 'working on'? Either getting the other team hurt or trying to fool them......
Sounds like a band-aide for the whole team.
Like I said, try and figure it out before it's to late......
Hey I agree it's a dangerous play.. but I've seen it called many times in a game and I don't like it. It's not intended to be a band-aide. There's nothing to figure out, it's something that he is having the girls work on and that he intends on calling in a game. Is that clear enough for ya?
 
May 12, 2016
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What is being discussed is basically a form of 'forward press'. You'll find various forms of 'forward press' approaches in use throughout various levels of the game ... including MLB. In a nutshell ... a 'forward press' can lead to an improvement in the 'back swing', which can lead to an improvement in the 'forward swing'.

Thanks, would you please be able to provide an example of this not being used in a fake bunt type scenario. This might be an approach that might help my DD.. I do not like the fake bunt scenario, it's dangerous and not necessary.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Thanks, would you please be able to provide an example of this not being used in a fake bunt type scenario. This might be an approach that might help my DD.. I do not like the fake bunt scenario, it's dangerous and not necessary.

Sure, there are many examples of a 'forward press'. You probably see hitters with a 'forward press' in their swing every day and don't even realize it. It can be somewhat subtle. In the example below there is a forward press to the front side … a lean forward absorbed with the front leg.

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As you can see, forms of a ‘forward press’ are used at the highest levels of the game. If you watch closely, you’ll see that even Cabrera uses a forward press.

Just as a good "back swing" leads to a healthy "forward swing", a good "forward press" leads to a healthy "back swing". Basically, it's one of the quicker ways to teach a kid to swing with a proper sequence.

The ‘forward press’ that you are describing … what resembles a “fake bunt, pull back, and swing” … it is the showing of the ‘fake bunt’ that is the ‘forward press’. There have been girls that have used this particular mechanic to have productive years on high-level D1 teams … some used it as a two-strike mechanic, and some used it as their normal swing.

That said, Rd has a point when he refers to the mechanic as a bandaide. I have used the mechanic as a means to help a hitter find a good sequence … but from there I would bring it into their normal swing without the ‘showing of a bunt’. I don’t have any hitters that use this as their normal swing … but all of my hitters tend to understand the importance of being in sequence. Hint: I consider rhythm to be the most important part of the swing … not only does it provide a good means to time a pitcher, but it can serve the function of a ‘forward press’.
 
May 12, 2016
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Sure, there are many examples of a 'forward press'. You probably see hitters with a 'forward press' in their swing every day and don't even realize it. It can be somewhat subtle. In the example below there is a forward press to the front side … a lean forward absorbed with the front leg.

Encarnacion_side_Forward_Press.gif


As you can see, forms of a ‘forward press’ are used at the highest levels of the game. If you watch closely, you’ll see that even Cabrera uses a forward press.

Just as a good "back swing" leads to a healthy "forward swing", a good "forward press" leads to a healthy "back swing". Basically, it's one of the quicker ways to teach a kid to swing with a proper sequence.

The ‘forward press’ that you are describing … what resembles a “fake bunt, pull back, and swing” … it is the showing of the ‘fake bunt’ that is the ‘forward press’. There have been girls that have used this particular mechanic to have productive years on high-level D1 teams … some used it as a two-strike mechanic, and some used it as their normal swing.

That said, Rd has a point when he refers to the mechanic as a bandaide. I have used the mechanic as a means to help a hitter find a good sequence … but from there I would bring it into their normal swing without the ‘showing of a bunt’. I don’t have any hitters that use this as their normal swing … but all of my hitters tend to understand the importance of being in sequence. Hint: I consider rhythm to be the most important part of the swing … not only does it provide a good means to time a pitcher, but it can serve the function of a ‘forward press’.

Thanks for your response! Unfortunately your examples are not displaying? I took a look at Cabrera, it's very subtle, I think I need something a little more obvious for my DD.

Yes when you are talking about correcting mechanics, it is a band-aide fix that I am not interesting in. However, this has been taken out of context. The coach is not teaching this to correct mechanics, it's more of a deception tactic. I'm not crazy about it, I think it's very dangerous to have the corners breaking for the bunt while the batter pulls back and swings away. I don't want my DD doing that.. not that he ever asks her to bunt anyway. I just noticed an improvement in her swing when trying to do this. So I am looking for something to model this 'forward press', but nothing so drastic as the fake bunt
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Unfortunate that the example is not displaying for you ... maybe this link will work better for you ... https://s20.postimg.cc/dpzd25s0t/Encarnacion_side_Forward_Press.gif. Providing more examples that you can't view won't help.

Yes ... some coaches use the mechanic to draw in a defense that is not well trained ... and then blow one by them before they have a chance to react. That may seem dangerous ... but it is part of the game as I know it.
 
May 12, 2016
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Unfortunate that the example is not displaying for you ... maybe this link will work better for you ... https://s20.postimg.cc/dpzd25s0t/Encarnacion_side_Forward_Press.gif. Providing more examples that you can't view won't help.

Yes ... some coaches use the mechanic to draw in a defense that is not well trained ... and then blow one by them before they have a chance to react. That may seem dangerous ... but it is part of the game as I know it.

Never had an issue before with seeing embedded videos, animated gifs, pics etc.. your link worked, thank you.
 
Jan 6, 2009
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5frames.

What exactly is the forward press? Is it a shift in the swing, or more technically in the pre-swing (preparation to swing).
 

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