Not squaring up the ball

Westwind said:

You guys were chatting while I was painstakingly hunting and pecking, lol.

Pattar you hit a great theme- we try to do around a third tee work and drills to feel different things in the swing and then hit half to two thirds front toss but I have the benefit of a cage. I listed some things that we do regularly in my post above but we don’t try to do everything in one session, we mix it up. I vary it according to how close to games we are: last session of the week I increase moving ball hitting and game prep.

Second great theme you hit was not getting too technical and fussing about every little thing. Pick a few things to work on and avoid fussing about every little thing just like you said.

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Same ratio for us give or take. I do not totally discount tee work, it has it's value in trying to simplify the task while working on something specific. However there needs to be
a specific purpose to the tee work. If you are just doing it to get swings in then you are better off replacing the tee work reps with front toss reps.

Buttermaker I agree with having a purpose for tee drills and following up with live swings. There has to be a stated out loud goal and you have to be doing them correctly. We had a pretty standard set of tee drills we were doing, and I watched them pretty carefully. It was kind of a “baseline the swing” deal. Also kind of a structured warmup I suppose. It served us well at younger ages and got us pretty far but we also hit a ton of front toss and machine.

As my kids get older and I learn more, I have gotten away from that standard tee set recently. I had started seeing a lack of growth in the swings (hs/college age specifically). I completely dumped one hand drills from our plan and replaced it with some revolving stuff that seemed to jump start us again.

I should add I’m just a bucket dad/assistant coach who has two dd’s and helps a buddy with his two dd’s. I’m no instructor.

First no one has the back elbow pointing backwards toward the catcher at launch. Second the hands are to close to the back shoulder for her arm length.

The lead arm is way to bent at the launch position. It needs to look closer to the clip I posted.

I should've said no one has that hand/back elbow positioning. The back elbow would be fine if the hands were back farther.

Thanks Shawn, really appreciate your thoughts. Can you please elaborate on why the issues you have pointed out contributes to the problems I mentioned previously. I know that she doesn't have a perfect swing and that's ok, but it's not my goal or hers to develop a perfect text book swing. We are just trying to keep it simple and help her square the ball up more

Shawn said:

First no one has the back elbow pointing backwards toward the catcher at launch. Second the hands are to close to the back shoulder for her arm length.

The lead arm is way to bent at the launch position. It needs to look closer to the clip I posted.

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rdbass said:

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Not the same.

Shawn said:

Not the same.

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Have no clue of where/why the back elbow is during launch has to do with anything.

If you are talking about the 'pull back slop/slag' this hitter has before actually 'launching' her swing swing that that's something totally different.
Barrel path is a big part of this hitters problem and on this swing hitting 'around' the ball. This hitter doesn't turn AND go. This hitter turns THEN go's. A big difference......and what I mean by not 'turning the barrel forward towards the ball'. Again JMHO.

julray said:

Thanks Shawn, really appreciate your thoughts. Can you please elaborate on why the issues you have pointed out contributes to the problems I mentioned previously. I know that she doesn't have a perfect swing and that's ok, but it's not my goal or hers to develop a perfect text book swing. We are just trying to keep it simple and help her square the ball up more

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I didn't post the entire clip. There is no stretching in the lead arm/scapula during the stride that is seen in many swings. There is virtually no stride so there is no shifting away from the hands or a direct link created through the lead arm. the lead arm doesn't factor in until the swing is well underway.

It's not about being more mechanical. She needs to be less mechanical. The swing takes to long. She is muscling up or just trying to hard. She needs to be more relaxed, more smooth, and hopefully quicker. The swing is long, time wise. If this swing is at 30fps, which I think it is because it didn't match up with my clip that I know is 60fps. Then your looking at a 8 frame swing and this isn't a quick swing. She is trying to hard which is creating a slower swing.

I'll be back, but please comment further and I'll get back to you. If I can answer any questions.

rdbass said:

Have no clue of where/why the back elbow is during launch has to do with anything.

If you are talking about the 'pull back slop/slag' this hitter has before actually 'launching' her swing swing that that's something totally different.
Barrel path is a big part of this hitters problem and on this swing hitting 'around' the ball. This hitter doesn't turn AND go. This hitter turns THEN go's. A big difference......and what I mean by not 'turning the barrel forward towards the ball'. Again JMHO.

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Answer to your back elbow, Geometry.

I agree there is to much slop.