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Cannonball

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turnin2, I am somewhere in between.

Chris, thanks for posting your dd's attempt to use this device. First, as with all things new, there is a time for adjustment as you said and even the bat size mattered. Then, you have the tester not knowing what to expect. As you said, your dd is 12U and so, she's done well. I appreciate the effort.
 
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Personally I consider the teaching of palm-down/palm-up to be mostly nonsense.

Bat dragger's orientate their hands palm-down/palm-up plenty early ... and most folks know to stay clear of that.
 

Cannonball

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Please tell me more CB... thanks.

turnin2, I am somewhere in between.
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turnin2, how have you been? I don't want to hijack this thread with my thoughts so, I'll be brief. I've come to think that the hands get a running start in what I call, "pulling the bow back." The "tip and rip" aspect of what I teach then helps make my player's hands active but efficient. I do believe that they come into a relationship with that back shoulder and ride that relationship for a brief time. How long? I just don't know and am not ashamed to say so. Then, those hands, "come off the merry go round." I don't think that they leave that relationship equally on all pitches and so, the hands help with adjustability. (Adjustability is not a word. LOL) I no longer care to argue the swing with anyone. There are too many experts out there that want to argue their philosophies when, if fact, they haven't done nor do anything with hitters. I seem to run into that a lot lately in my area. I'm ok with being an "ex expert" and saying that I don't know a thing about hitting. BTW, I was told such this past week when one guy said that I might produce great hitting baseball players but none of my softball students will ever hit due to what I teach. You know, the vast difference between a baseball swing and a softball swing. LOL
 
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Jun 27, 2011
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... what I teach helps make my player's hands active but efficient. I do believe that they come into a relationship with that back shoulder and ride that relationship for a brief time. How long? I just don't know and am not ashamed to say so. Then, those hands, "come off the merry go round." I don't think that they leave that relationship equally on all pitches and so, the hands help with adjustability. (Adjustability is not a word. LOL) I no longer care to argue the swing with anyone. There are too many experts out there that want to argue their philosophies when, if fact, they haven't done nor do anything with hitters. I seem to run into that a lot lately in my area. I'm ok with being an "ex expert" and saying that I don't know a thing about hitting. BTW, I was told such this past week when one guy said that I might produce great hitting baseball players but none of my softball students will ever hit due to what I teach. You know, the vast difference between a baseball swing and a softball swing. LOL

I like the merry-go round analogy. Been working w/ DD not to let hands extend to soon, or should I say ''to stay on the merry go round a little longer'' before flying off.

Today, she was hitting off a live pitcher, and the catcher (a college player) told her to do the drill where you start with the bat pinned against your shoulder as long as possible. She hit better that way. Kept her from extending too soon.

Wonder what hitting gurus think of that drill. I would think the shoulder drill would accomplish the same thing as this gadget, maybe better.

It restricts stretch & fire, and it forces hands to be lower than you want, so like all drills, you have to be careful that it doesn't have unintended side effects when putting it in the ''real'' swing.

 

rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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Not here.
I like the merry-go round analogy. Been working w/ DD not to let hands extend to soon, or should I say ''to stay on the merry go round a little longer'' before flying off.
I would prefer to see a more Ferris wheel hand path.
Added: video blocked at work so, general comment.
 

rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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Video is the "deltoid drill" without Epstein's lower body pre-set.

That's what I was guessing but, wasn't sure. For the record my DD did the 'deltoid drill'. In fact used the 'deltoid drill' as her game swing when she was younger. Did really well (10u rec) until the pitching got better. Then my DD needed to learn to use her hands. So, I would suggest learn to use the hands. Free up the hands. I'm not a fan of a 'connected swing'.
 
Jun 27, 2011
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I would prefer to see a more Ferris wheel hand path.
Added: video blocked at work so, general comment.

I know, I almost mentioned that. Yes, more ferris wheel as far as direction/path. With the merry go round, I just meant the idea of it spinning quickly and throwing something off of it. It's a tight pivot that builds energy and then releases at the right time it into contact. Extending the arms to soon is like getting off the merry go round too soon. Call it a tilted merry go round. Or a ferris wheel.
 

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