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FiveFrameSwing said:

Curious as to your thoughts ... do you think this would induce an elbow stall?

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Yep...stall could be a concern here...

I am fiddling with it right now and I can still dump my shoulder\rear elbow collapse...I can still do plenty of bad with this on...

Where I feel the most benefit is emulating this gif from Bonds:

Are there benefits? Sure...

Are there negatives? Sure...

For $30 it does have some value IMO...CP

Appreciate the comments.

Understand you are new with this gadget. Looking forward to what you think of it after a few workouts with it.

Thanks for being the test dummy, CP. I am also curious to hear more of your input on the device - pros and cons.

Is your daughter able to swing with it, at a ball, without popping the Velcro? Or only dry swings?

Sting Ray said:

Is your daughter able to swing with it, at a ball, without popping the Velcro? Or only dry swings?

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Not sure of the purpose of the 'gadget' but, I would want my DD 'popping' the Velcro when swinging at a ball.

the point is to not pop the velcro and if miggy had one on it wouldn't pop. It would slide out first because his hands travel down/forward and not out.

Sting Ray said:

Is your daughter able to swing with it, at a ball, without popping the Velcro? Or only dry swings?

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It is difficult to swing without popping the Velcro. Not just for me but for a couple of D2 girls who pound the snot out of the ball...here's some more to chew on...if you have a SR, please add to this review...the more input on this device the better...

I took about 100 dry swings last night and today with my wooden bat. I purposely made some bad swings based on the common swing flaws we see here...you can cheat this device and in some cases make a good swing not so good (I did play D2 folks).

I'm still on the fence for it's benefits...this thing locks you in almost too much...an example of this would be if your swing has a little "poke back" with the rear elbow\humerus\scap load (or however you want to phase it) it is really an awkward feeling with this on...any action to raise the rear elbow\humerus feels awkward.

I'm not one who believes anything should be "locked" in the swing anyway...that removes athleticism and that is the last thing I want to take away from one of my athletes...

Anyhow...

We fiddled with it today for about 10 minutes...I didn't video any of it because I don't need any village idiots turning this into a swing critique...it's a product review...

Your hand set WILL BE shoulder height...if get above the shoulder with your hand set and the tension between the rail and the loop will completely prevent you from turning the barrel at go\force you to push through the "around phase."

This things sucks for low pitches (which is where the side toss pitch was located in my first post). Sucks on front toss too...anything low and you cannot swing without popping the Velcro. Belt high or higher and IN and it works as advertised.

Where this thing shines...

When we did "take it" drills...it really does a good job of keeping the hands back...hips forwards\hands back...there is a distinct feel the hitter can identify with...

SNF 45* with a high tee was solid too...SNF 90 we could not get the rail to slide through the loop...

It is worth the $30 but it needs to be used in doses IMO...CP

Sometimes when I'm trying to demonstrate to a hitter that their hands should largely stay at their shoulder or that their body should load their hands and that usually means their hands don't move a ton through space, I'll grab the top of my shirt sleeve with thumb and forefinger and perform a load and take while holding on to it. Kinda the same idea

As I PM'd Chris - if the upper arm tries to internally rotate (transverse adduction) to start the swing - your rear arm bicep should want to contract keeping the hands up and tight without stalling the rear elbow. The reveres top hand trains the bicep much the same way. Or you contract the bicep and your rear arm should want to transerve adduct. Either way you should get the upright "V" that FFS frequently speaks about.

Save your money, I say.

After years of thinking the hands should stay back by the shoulder, I am a firm believer that the hands need to go directly to the ball getting palm up palm down as quickly as possible (or turn the barrel to the ball). Maybe instead of keeping the hands back by the shoulder, the shoulder stays close to the hands as they fire to contact.

At higher levels with faster pitching speeds, I think you have to get your hands active and moving to contact quickly.

My two cents is save your money.