Holding coil

When you guys are working with students do you instruct the student to hold the rear hip coil on stride out and let it go when? IMO its should be held on stride out and released at the launch of the barrel! Coil while moving out

Do you teach a pre set coil? I like a slightly weighted/seated rear leg...and coil at stride out! Any thoughts or comments on this topic? When do you release the coil? Im interested in the response by several on here!

Big German! said:

When you guys are working with students do you instruct the student to hold the rear hip coil on stride out and let it go when? IMO its should be held on stride out and released at the launch of the barrel! Coil while moving out

Do you teach a pre set coil? I like a slightly weighted/seated rear leg...and coil at stride out! Any thoughts or comments on this topic? When do you release the coil? Im interested in the response by several on here!

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What is your perspective on this?

FFS, RHC, Cannon, Eric F, Shawn, Rdbass, Spartans21, Buttermaker...anyone else?

Maybe this could be moved to the Technical Hitting Forum?

First, I'm not an expert so I'll leave the "facts" to the others. What I teach to my hitters is to start slightly open and then coil as a way of getting a running start on the pitcher and ball. I've tried to get my hitters to understand that when we talk about the hips, there is resistance on both. The front hip can not just fly open. The back hip has resistance as the back knee goes downward toward an area below the front knee. That downward angle requires the hitter to roll over on the side of the back foot and then toe and then, the back hip wins the resistance and gets orientated in the direction of the area the ball is hit/driven to. I am headed to eat and so, this isn't a great description but perhaps it is enough. Some of the others on your list can let you know what they do. If I get a chance, I will post something later.

I think the recent swing of Judge show that coil (hip coil) can be held a long time. TM would say that there is continues loading/coiling, it never stops. This is something I had to take a closer look at personally. Because I have seen Judge swing where the hip never uncoils.

Looks at the hips in this sequence:

One thing I learned from Epstein a long time ago was to coil until the lowerbody starts to change direction of the hands. It doesn't mean there has to be some big movement/action. His example was of the hands moving back and then the lowerbody starts and yanks the hands forward. That is all that is needed, a feeling of coiling, even if the coiling is a inch of actual movement, that's all that is needed.

You never stop coiling, you just let it change direction on it's own. It concedes with the front foot planting.

Cannonball said:

Looks at the hips in this sequence:

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Cannonball, thank you for posting this. I see in frame five Votto's belt buckle pointing towards the pitcher. In other words, he is opening up his hips. Do you think he is still retaining the coil at that point or has he begin to let it go to the front side? The best that I can tell from the photos, he hasn't quite made contact but at this point I would guess he has released the backside coil.

Shawn said:

One thing I learned from Epstein a long time ago was to coil until the lowerbody starts to change direction of the hands. It doesn't mean there has to be some big movement/action. His example was of the hands moving back and then the lowerbody starts and yanks the hands forward. That is all that is needed, a feeling of coiling, even if the coiling is a inch of actual movement, that's all that is needed.

You never stop coiling, you just let it change direction on it's own. It concedes with the front foot planting.

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So the idea of not stopping the coil, but changing the direction of the coil is what you and TM agree on. Does Epstein also believe this but maybe puts it in other words?

I guess what I am trying to do is get the feel for when a batter moves from a position of the sit and coil to a release of the back leg/hip pressure. Whether one describes it as a continuation of a coil (but moving to the front side), or a release or unwinding of the coil. When I pick-up a bat and swing, I think that I feel the release of the coil when I heel plant. This would be in combination with with an upper-half tilt. In my mind this would occur right before contact.

ORWheels said:

So the idea of not stopping the coil, but changing the direction of the coil is what you and TM agree on. Does Epstein also believe this but maybe puts it in other words?

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Right never stop loading/coiling.

I guess what I am trying to do is get the feel for when a batter moves from a position of the sit and coil to a release of the back leg/hip pressure. Whether one describes it as a continuation of a coil (but moving to the front side), or a release or unwinding of the coil. When I pick-up a bat and swing, I think that I feel the release of the coil when I heel plant. This would be in combination with with an upper-half tilt. In my mind this would occur right before contact.

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I would agree at foot plant several good things happen.