Being "Aggressive" in the box

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Greenmonsters

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Feb 21, 2009
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With less than 2 strikes they should be swinging at hitter's pitches not simply strikes. Sounds like your DD's coach doesn't know the differene, which is unfortunate.
 

Jim

Apr 24, 2011
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Do you mean pick a spot or area where you want a pitch and attack that part of the zone and if the pitch isnt there then pull off? Is that why alot of people suggest changing your approach when you have 2 srikes because you cant be as choosy?

The strike zone is pretty big, it makes more sense to pick a small area and hope for a pitch in that location, then expand if you get two strikes on you.

That is what I mean exactly. You funnel down the information that you have for that given at bat against that specific pitcher in that specific situation in the game. You should first consider your strength, then what the pitcher can and can't do, then finally the situation in the game. This should bring you to a specific area of the strike zone that you are looking to attack. This approach should be executed until the hitter has two strikes on her. Then she needs to adjust to her two strike approach... (this is another topic :) )
 

Jim

Apr 24, 2011
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This is something that I will quite often say to my team. It is usually because I am seeing a couple players that, for whatever reason, are struggling and unsure at the plate. It is one of those phrases that you can say to a team without singling out individuals. So it's group therapy. I don't mean that everyone should swing at the first pitch. But, honestly, more girls should. I would guess that in 50-60% of the at-bats I see, the best hitters pitch happens on 0-0 counts. So by always taking, you might just as well start with an 0-1 count.

It's probably only true for my team, but statistically, 5 of my highest 6 batting average players are in the bottom 50% of pitches seen/ plate appearance. Or conversely, only 1 of my top hitters sees a lot of pitches. My worst 2 batting average players lead the team in pitches seen. So what benefit is there to going deep in a count? Statistically, on my team, none.

In my years of coaching HS players, typically, if a girl is watching very many pitches, it's because she is lacking confidence or aggression. She is afraid she will make a mistake so she won't swing. So telling them to be aggressive is trying to get them over their hurdle.

Would you rather he was encouraging them to be passive?

Very good post! The key is that they are aggressive (ready to hammer) on pitches in a specific area. Some hitters can have bigger areas to look for pitches than others.

In the Major Leagues the count that has the most home runs hit, the most RBI's, the most doubles and triples with a .339 BA is... The 0-0 count!
 
May 18, 2009
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You have to swing at that first pitch if it is down the middle, no matter the philosophy, especially the first pitch of the game or inning.
You don't gain anything by watching such a pitch.

It creates a spark. But of course be smart after that.

Watched a lead off hitter put the ball to the fence yesterday on first pitch down the middle. If it's there you've got to swing. I also watched a rec coach a few years ago telling his girls to take the first pitch. Was horrible because the girls were starting 0-1 in the count. Taking a pitch gives you a 33% less chance of getting a hit.
 
Jun 11, 2012
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I've been following the posts on this forum for some time now and have gained quite a bit of knowledge that I incorporate into my own coaching strategies. I think the "Aggressive" message needs to be conveyed cautiously. There is a time and a place, but to preach this to a team would be a concern for me. I prefer to teach disciplined hitting at the team level. Encouraging first pitch swings can develope bad habits at the plate and may result in your players taking good swings at bad pitches and wasting at bats, producing weak ground balls and pop ups. Don't get me wrong, the passive hitter that takes a few pitches because she's not confident to swing at a grooved first pitch strike needs to be coached at the player level.

On the extreme opposite to this post, I've also heard coaches preach to "see" at least one pitch before they swing. A pitcher, or opposing coach can easily pick up on this, which will likely lead to the opposing pitcher having NO FEAR of grooving the first pitch with no concern that it's ever going to cost her. Not a good strategy to start your hitters out 0-1 on a consistant basis
 
No, he should be encouraging them to be smart up there. DDs coach is not very smart and clearly is intimidated by smart girls so that's the last thing he would be telling them!

In the super regionals or the WCWS, in an interview, Patrick Murphy was asked if he was encouraging his players to be aggressive because a lot of them were swinging at the first pitch they saw. his response was something like "Not really, but if they're going to swing at it, they better be sure its a good pitch!"

I agree. There have been some great responses since I've last been on, but this pretty much sums it up for me.

I think Screwball said the girls should communicate as well. I agree. DD's team was talking a lot about pitchers tendencies this tourney. They haven't really done that much.

DD did the same thing this past weekend. First game, first bat she watches a strike. Coach is getting all bunched up. The next pitch is a ball then the pitcher put one in "the spot" and she drove that thing into a one hop into the left field fence for a standup triple. She wound up going 3 for 5 for the day with one strikeout against a good pitcher in a twelve pitch at bat. Pitcher got her on a great drop after a 3-2 foul ball fest. Sometimes they just get you, but it was a good at bat.

Point is being smart and using your pitches and knowing a pitcher's tendency seems to work better than swinging at everything to me.
 
Aug 2, 2008
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Thanks Jim,

We have been working on narrowing the strike zone for a few weeks and this weekend my daughter and a couple others did a good job of it. My daughter in particular had more check swings than shes had all year, she picked her spot and did a good job driving the ball when she got her pitch. She was 8 for 14 this weekend using that approach.
 
Jun 11, 2012
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In the Major Leagues the count that has the most home runs hit, the most RBI's, the most doubles and triples with a .339 BA is... The 0-0 count!

Well, to play the "Devil's Advocate" here, that may have something to do with EVERY plate appearance containing an 0-0 count.
 

Jim

Apr 24, 2011
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Well, to play the "Devil's Advocate" here, that may have something to do with EVERY plate appearance containing an 0-0 count.

When they swing at the first pitch, they do damage! That was the point. They don't swing at it unless they can make the pitcher pay. That goes for the second, third, forth pitches... and so on.
 

Jim

Apr 24, 2011
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Ohio
Thanks Jim,

We have been working on narrowing the strike zone for a few weeks and this weekend my daughter and a couple others did a good job of it. My daughter in particular had more check swings than shes had all year, she picked her spot and did a good job driving the ball when she got her pitch. She was 8 for 14 this weekend using that approach.

Great! Sounds like she is starting to take control of her at-bats! Great job, and keep it up!
 

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