Whose error is it anyways?

Greenmonsters · Oct 5, 2016

#7sDad said:
I was thinking same thing. Why is this not a stolen base with no error? Same as SparkyGuy's pop-up analogy. Dropped tag or bad throw would be an error, but this is no play and isn't clear if runner advanced to 3b, which would then require an error assigned.

I also agree with others' comments that the players should have been discussing how to get the out next time instead of blaming each other in the dug-out.

From a scorekeeping standpoint, every out recorded and every base advanced need to accounted for. In the OP's case, if the runner didn't advance one or more base on the throw, it is simply a SB; an E2 would be recorded if the runner did advance. As long as there is no further advancement, there was is never an E2 for an errant throw by a catcher on a SB attempt; however, an error is awarded to an infielder if they drop a throw that otherwise would have resulted in a caught stealing.

obbay · Oct 5, 2016

Gabby- if it makes you feel any better, this year our V team had a poor 1B. Unless the ball was thrown into her glove, she wouldn't catch it. When she didn't catch it, the error went to the thrower (unless it was in her glove and fell out) DD plays SS some ofthe time and is very good. In one game, she threw the ball right through the 1b (on target but she missed it) twice and was scored with two errors because she "threw the ball too hard".

Regardless of who is scored with the error, you did EXACTLY what a good catcher is supposed to do!
Keep doing it!

grcsftbll · Oct 5, 2016

What about this. Runner on second, goes to steal. Catcher throws to 3b, 3b is asleep at the wheel and the ball ends up in left field, runner safe at 3b. 3b never touches the ball. Catcher didn't realize she wasn't ready for the throw, she was at the base just not paying attention. Had this happen not long ago and I wasn't sure.

ETA, here's another. Girl who's new to playing 1b. Runner on 1b, batter hits to 3b. 3b fields and makes a clean throw to 1b (10u, still learning double plays). 1b is watching the runner advance to 2b and the ball blows right past her to the right field fence where it's fielded quickly, runners safe at 2b and 1b.

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Greenmonsters · Oct 5, 2016

grcsftbll said:
What about this. Runner on second, goes to steal. Catcher throws to 3b, 3b is asleep at the wheel and the ball ends up in left field, runner safe at 3b. 3b never touches the ball. Catcher didn't realize she wasn't ready for the throw, she was at the base just not paying attention. Had this happen not long ago and I wasn't sure.

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Another E2 (and time to find a new 3B).

grcsftbll · Oct 5, 2016

Greenmonsters said:
Another E2 (and time to find a new 3B).

This one happened in a scrimmage. Brand new team, 5 innings, and the coach moved the girls to a new position every inning to see who was good where. So not our usual 3B (which is my kid when she's not pitching actually).

Axe · Oct 5, 2016

grcsftbll said:
ETA, here's another. Girl who's new to playing 1b. Runner on 1b, batter hits to 3b. 3b fields and makes a clean throw to 1b (10u, still learning double plays). 1b is watching the runner advance to 2b and the ball blows right past her to the right field fence where it's fielded quickly, runners safe at 2b and 1b.

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Assuming it was a good throw this has to be E3, the first one was E2. BTW, this happened in a MS tournament my DD pitching last week. Catcher fired it to no one.

quincy · Oct 5, 2016

Sadest or funniest play this year ...

Ball hit to LF, she knows she needs to get rid of ball.

Looks towards 2nd, no one is paying attention fielders are running around.

Looks to towards 3rd, same thing.

Out of frustration she just threw ball to circle, no one was there by the way.

CoogansBluff · Oct 5, 2016

grcsftbll said:
ETA, here's another. Girl who's new to playing 1b. Runner on 1b, batter hits to 3b. 3b fields and makes a clean throw to 1b (10u, still learning double plays). 1b is watching the runner advance to 2b and the ball blows right past her to the right field fence where it's fielded quickly, runners safe at 2b and 1b.

Where is the first baseman standing? Is she off the bag watching the rest of the play? If that's the case, then you have a mental error of a fielder not covering the bag. It would be a hit. And if the batter reaches 2B, then it would be an error on the third baseman for throwing to an unoccupied base.

JAD · Oct 5, 2016

CoogansBluff said:
But since you're a player, my answer is that you both are in error for arguing and trying to find fault and blame. You're teammates. You're in it together. Doesn't matter whose fault it was. Together, come up with a solution for the next time. Tell the shortstop - in a respectful non-blaming, non-bossy way - why you played it the way you did and sell her on why you think that's the best way to do it. If she has a better way, or some concerns on why that won't work, or why she can't get to the bag on time, listen to it. Find a solution. Engage the coach if necessary. The goal is to get better, not win an argument, and certainly not to finger-point, IMHO.

While I can understand [MENTION=4240]CoogansBluff[/MENTION] response about being a good teammate, catchers are trained to deliver the ball to the bag as quickly as possible. It is the SS's responsibility to get there to field the ball and apply the tag. Catchers DO NOT try to time their throw to match the SS's progress.

Eric F · Oct 5, 2016

grcsftbll said:
What about this. Runner on second, goes to steal. Catcher throws to 3b, 3b is asleep at the wheel and the ball ends up in left field, runner safe at 3b. 3b never touches the ball. Catcher didn't realize she wasn't ready for the throw, she was at the base just not paying attention. Had this happen not long ago and I wasn't sure.

ETA, here's another. Girl who's new to playing 1b. Runner on 1b, batter hits to 3b. 3b fields and makes a clean throw to 1b (10u, still learning double plays). 1b is watching the runner advance to 2b and the ball blows right past her to the right field fence where it's fielded quickly, runners safe at 2b and 1b.

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Seen both of those before. SMH.

Similar...

1 outs, runner at 1B. Batter hits a bouncer to F1. F1 bobbles the ball a bit, and turns to throw to F3. F3 is watching the runner go to 2B, expecting F1 to throw out the lead runner. Seeing that F3 is looking elsewhere, F1 tries to hold up her throw, but the ball slips out of her hand, and rolls to the fence between 1B and home. F3 watches the ball, but doesn't move. F2 camps at home. By the time F1 tracks down the ball, the runner that started at 1B scores. That broke a 1-1 tie. F1 gets the E in the scorebook.

And that's the story of how DD's team got eliminated from this year's TCS World Series.

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