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JAD

Feb 20, 2012
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Anything in specific...haha

Any chance you can translate the compression numbers into real world improved performance? Just wondering how much "hotter" the bat gets as the compression drops. What was the compression of the "hot" bats of days gone by (SCN1B, ect).
 

CoreSoftball20

Wilson = Evil Empire
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Dec 27, 2012
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Lower the compression, the hotter the bat...that's the basic translation. Old school numbers used to be USSSA passing is 225 and ASA is 1550 (now there
are so many variations of passing numbers depending on bat). That's why testers really need to have their sh!t together.
Each bat is different as to improved performance and there is no way to give exact numbers. Who the heck knows how much better the bat is
at 265 than it is at 275. The point is to stop the bat once is hits failing. I know from experience, there is quite a diff in a bat that is at 275 and then at 225.
I have seen bats under 100...and they are lethal. That's why they do this. Its not perfect, but its better than what was ever out there to stop certain things ;)

You have bats now that have thinner walls, but internals that keep the bat from failing...which is why they are granted a lower compression number than others.
Old school bats like the Eastons and such, would start high as hell...like 350-375. Then just keep lowering, and never stop. Which is why people loved the old Eastons.
They knew the bat wasn't legal after a while but they weren't "cheating" as long as they weren't testing. Those things would get super hot!!! But a lot of old bats did that.

As for altering...this was a big reason for testing. A new shaved bat may pass the first tourney...but wont last much after that. Seen them pass initially, then fail by
the end of a day.

Btw, using usssa numbers as its easier :)

Easier to answer specific questions that just ramble on and on.
 
Nov 25, 2012
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Lower the compression, the hotter the bat...that's the basic translation. Old school numbers used to be USSSA passing is 225 and ASA is 1550 (now there
are so many variations of passing numbers depending on bat). That's why testers really need to have their sh!t together.
Each bat is different as to improved performance and there is no way to give exact numbers. Who the heck knows how much better the bat is
at 265 than it is at 275. The point is to stop the bat once is hits failing. I know from experience, there is quite a diff in a bat that is at 275 and then at 225.
I have seen bats under 100...and they are lethal. That's why they do this. Its not perfect, but its better than what was ever out there to stop certain things ;)

You have bats now that have thinner walls, but internals that keep the bat from failing...which is why they are granted a lower compression number than others.
Old school bats like the Eastons and such, would start high as hell...like 350-375. Then just keep lowering, and never stop. Which is why people loved the old Eastons.
They knew the bat wasn't legal after a while but they weren't "cheating" as long as they weren't testing. Those things would get super hot!!! But a lot of old bats did that.

As for altering...this was a big reason for testing. A new shaved bat may pass the first tourney...but wont last much after that. Seen them pass initially, then fail by
the end of a day.

Btw, using usssa numbers as its easier :)

Easier to answer specific questions that just ramble on and on.

Core- thanks for the great information as always. In your opinion, or shall I say with your expertise, what are the hottest bats on the market as of today?

Thank you,

S3
 

CoreSoftball20

Wilson = Evil Empire
DFP Vendor
Dec 27, 2012
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Kunkletown, PA
Ghost right now...I will stand by that no matter the haters out there or think im BS'ing. Lowest comp bat out there.
Also, you may be shocked...Monsta is next but it needs to be circulated more in fp and his business needs help...haha.
I think the next group is led by the LXT. I think the PXT is a POS and the CFX is garbage.
I am waiting to see the Quatro Pro...because there is def an opportunity for Rawlings
to jump in here and really take control out of this market. It has the inner barrel so it could do well in compression and performance.

For slowpitch, Monsta and Miken/Worth ASA bats are the tops. And Miken are top in USSSA (yes, there are diff models but just
speaking in general).
 

panthadad2

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Jun 27, 2017
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Maybe a dumb question... I've heard a lot how traditional composite bats keep getting hotter until they fail. But if that's the case, why would an older composite bat like the Easton Synergy (photo) test much worse by about 10 mph than say a brand new Mako or Stealth Flex right out of the wrapper? Newer better composites? I've heard recent DeMarini's can go "dead" before they fail too.

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CoreSoftball20

Wilson = Evil Empire
DFP Vendor
Dec 27, 2012
6,215
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Kunkletown, PA
Because that bat was a terrible bat...haha. That was Eastons pre-tester attempt to curb people altering bats. It was supposed to delaminate if it got too
hot, then umps would know to toss it...haha, yeah right. SP Eastons at the same time had the same thing. Complete turds. But funny how they
became "known" shaver bats in SP...so what they were made to stop, was opposite of what happened.

You have to realize, not all composite bats are the same...some are thicker, more layers, woven diff, all of which will test diff. Some had thinner resin layers and some had
the resin layer closer to the inside which would test higher. If you take the cap off an old comp bat and look at the layers, you will see a thin white layer, thats resin. Helps bounce
the composite layers. Old Demars had foam in them. Just because its an older bat, doesn't mean its gonna be awesome after many hits. There
were some horrendous bats out there. Also, the older bats do, for the most part, test WAY higher out of the wrapper than new ones. Because they needed
them to last. You cant start the bat right at the passing mark if the bat is gonna get better and better.

Going dead has nothing to do with anything in this topic really...and many "dead" bats weren't really dead ;)
 

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