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Jan 28, 2017
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HE coach but is very good at teaching the curve, flip, screw, rollover drop, and rise. The hand work looks nothing like HE so what does that mean? Pitcher keeps ball pointed toward third on her fastball and looks like IR at release but finishes with HE. Bare with me lord knows I'm no PC.
 

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It would be better if the guy fully understood pitching mechanics.

I'm more concerned that he is trying to teach your DD the curve, flip, screw, rollover drop, and rise.

Think about it a little bit. 25YOA MLB pro pitchers who are paid $$$ and had no other job for 8 years have two or three pitches...but your DD is going to learn to throw six pitches before she is 15YOA? Come on. Does that make any sense at all?

Unless your DD can get a pitch to work 95% of the time, it is worthless. Unless your Dd can get "hit her spots" with a pitch 95% of the time, it is worthless.

It takes 30 minutes to learn the mechanics of throwing a breaking pitch. It takes forever and a day to master a breaking pitch.
 
May 17, 2012
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As a coach when a pitcher comes into a tryout and I ask her what pitches she throws the magical answer I am looking for is always "one pitch". Whether thats a curve, change, screw, riser or drop if she answers with "one pitch" she has my interest.

If she has 3 or 4 pitches she really doesn't have one (almost 95% of the time). I assume everyone can throw a fastball and change.

Jack of all trades, master of none...

If she has mastered "one pitch" she can throw that pitch to different locations at different speeds 95% of the time so it's actually 9 variations of the same "one pitch".

I can win a lot of games with that "one pitch". Just my observations...
 
May 16, 2016
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HE coach but is very good at teaching the curve, flip, screw, rollover drop, and rise. The hand work looks nothing like HE so what does that mean? Pitcher keeps ball pointed toward third on her fastball and looks like IR at release but finishes with HE. Bare with me lord knows I'm no PC.

What it "means" is, it really doesn't matter what your elbow does after you release the ball.
 
Jan 28, 2017
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It would be better if the guy fully understood pitching mechanics.

I'm more concerned that he is trying to teach your DD the curve, flip, screw, rollover drop, and rise.

Think about it a little bit. 25YOA MLB pro pitchers who are paid $$$ and had no other job for 8 years have two or three pitches...but your DD is going to learn to throw six pitches before she is 15YOA? Come on. Does that make any sense at all?

Unless your DD can get a pitch to work 95% of the time, it is worthless. Unless your Dd can get "hit her spots" with a pitch 95% of the time, it is worthless.

It takes 30 minutes to learn the mechanics of throwing a breaking pitch. It takes forever and a day to master a breaking pitch.

I think he is between HE and IR. His resume is unreal. I'm sure he can improve in some areas like us all. DD hits spots with her FB normally around 80% to 90%. Curve is her best pitch. Can throw backdoor and outside. Working on staying out of the middle but still on corners. He has switched her change up to a wrapping action and it is really good but low and off the plate outside to much. Probably 65% but lots of movement and getting better fast.

Screw and drop are not game ready and haven't thrown them in the game.
Rise only working on spin. Nothing off the mound. We have been with him for about 3 years.
 
Jun 29, 2013
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It would be better if the guy fully understood pitching mechanics.

I'm more concerned that he is trying to teach your DD the curve, flip, screw, rollover drop, and rise.

Think about it a little bit. 25YOA MLB pro pitchers who are paid $$$ and had no other job for 8 years have two or three pitches...but your DD is going to learn to throw six pitches before she is 15YOA? Come on. Does that make any sense at all?

Unless your DD can get a pitch to work 95% of the time, it is worthless. Unless your Dd can get "hit her spots" with a pitch 95% of the time, it is worthless.

It takes 30 minutes to learn the mechanics of throwing a breaking pitch. It takes forever and a day to master a breaking pitch.

I've heard this often but I respectfully disagree. If you ask a young, smart pitcher to do the same thing over and over again because they are not perfect with another pitch she is eventually going to get so bored that her effort will drop off. And, if nothing else, a change up that bounces or is 3 feet over a batter's head changes their rhythm and moves their eyes. I do agree that coaches shouldn't call four or five pitchers unless there is some level of competence, but when you ask a young pitcher to throw a fast ball to the outside corner, then to the inside corner, then a couple of inches off the plate 15 times in a row and everyone in the other dugout is going to eventually figure out what's coming next.
 
Dec 10, 2015
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I see more of this here, also. My key is what the elbow is doing before release. Here, the PCs teach a stiff elbow. (And minimal lower body action but that's a different thread.) So, is she whipping or windmilling?
 
Jan 28, 2017
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What it "means" is, it really doesn't matter what your elbow does after you release the ball.

He teaches an HE finish at the beginning but I remember my DD throwing a pitch with her palm down at finish when we first started and he said, that will be fine later but not now or something like that. She finishes more like Hillhouse teaches now and he never commits about it. I bought the Hillhouse DVD's before we started with the PC and felled miserably to teach it. LOL. She probably doesn't know that she finishes like Hillhouse teaches. We still use some of his stuff and use it when things don't look right. Great DVD's!
 
Jan 28, 2017
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He doesn't teach a stiff elbow. I don't think, I have ever heard him say whip the elbow but I have said it a lot and he never corrects it. He tells her sometimes to have more bend in her elbow. He raves about how natural her curve looks and her form. He isn't a BS guy. Rise and drop spins are not natural to my DD.
 
Mar 14, 2017
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As a coach when a pitcher comes into a tryout and I ask her what pitches she throws the magical answer I am looking for is always "one pitch". Whether thats a curve, change, screw, riser or drop if she answers with "one pitch" she has my interest.

If she has 3 or 4 pitches she really doesn't have one (almost 95% of the time). I assume everyone can throw a fastball and change.

Jack of all trades, master of none...

If she has mastered "one pitch" she can throw that pitch to different locations at different speeds 95% of the time so it's actually 9 variations of the same "one pitch".

I can win a lot of games with that "one pitch". Just my observations...


I've seen a damn lot of pitchers who throw 5 pitches... none for strikes but their parents shelled out lots of coin for some joker PC to show them grips. Knowing a grip isn't the same as "having a pitch."
 

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