Injuries & Could this be considered unsportsmanlike conduct

BuckeyeBW said:

Had there been any warnings from umpires about excessive celebrations or taunting before that?

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There hadn't been any warnings from the umps prior to my ejection from what I can remember. The crew we had working the game was making questionable calls all game. So it wasn't like they were just doing to one of our schools. But I was surprised our coach wasn't joining me on the bus for the way home the way he got upset over me being ejected for a chest bump with the pitcher without any taunting going on. Unless the ump thought I was taunting by doing the chest bump with the pitcher for getting us out of a bases loaded no out jam.

Are you sure no comment was made during the celebration that you forgot to mention?

You already mentioned you were still hot over the call at second and also that the umps made other calls
you didn't like.

I have/still play a ton of ball, and I know I have made comments in the heat of a game or after a rough inning (when I was younger of course ), made rough by
bad calls or plays. Slip in a sarcastic remark or something?

Gabby mentioned her lack of confidence in the umpires before the incidents occurred. I played tons of ball and seen tons of ball played, they are crappy umpires out there and there are good umpires that make bad calls. Why are we questioning Gabby's conduct or recollection of events? This is an online forum, I don't think Gabby has too much invested in what we think of her as a person. So there is no need for her to mud the truth in order to receive favorable remarks and comments. I am fairly certain she is telling the truth and her recollection of the events are accurate.

1. I don't know about in the US, but here in Canada intent/attempt to injure results in ejection. However, I have seen coaches teach kids to slide in certain situations with the cleats in the air in order to knock the ball out of a glove.. so in those situations its the umpires discretion.

2. Personally I'm not a big fan of over zealous celebration, showboating, etc. Call me old fashioned I guess. But what you did, did not deserve ejection from the game. Even though it was an emotional game and you behaved appropriately. If anything the umpire overreacted to keep a game that had potential to get out of hand. The reason he didn't eject your coach is probably because he realized he made a mistake in ejecting you.

Cheers

julray said:

Gabby mentioned her lack of confidence in the umpires before the incidents occurred. I played tons of ball and seen tons of ball played, they are crappy umpires out there and there are good umpires that make bad calls. Why are we questioning Gabby's conduct or recollection of events? This is an online forum, I don't think Gabby has too much invested in what we think of her as a person. So there is no need for her to mud the truth in order to receive favorable remarks and comments. I am fairly certain she is telling the truth and her recollection of the events are accurate.

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Nobody is questioning her conduct...but we all know when on a forum, you only hear one side of a story, some things may get left out. So we should
all jump on this ump and call him the worst ever because of one side of a story without knowing all the facts and making sure of it? Heck, somebody
else may have said something and the ump thought is was her. Pitcher could have said something as she said she was struggling as well. Some folks are only
asking to make sure if something else wasn't done or said to make this happen as just by what was told, it doesn't merit ejection. Just looking at BOTH sides
and possibilities.

Just like someone pointed out that the second base ump is much closer than a catcher is to make a call on a slide...that's fact. Somebody with emotion in the game
sometimes sees a situation a bit differently than someone not involved. Emotions always can cloud an opinion as we all know from sports. Again, it was
just pointed out. Not saying she was wrong and that the slide was or wasn't bad. Just another side to think about.

I know I asked because I am actually really curious as I have been in this type situation as most have that played team sports.

CoreSoftball20 said:

Nobody is questioning her conduct...but we all know when on a forum, you only hear one side of a story, some things may get left out. So we should
all jump on this ump and call him the worst ever because of one side of a story without knowing all the facts and making sure of it? Heck, somebody
else may have said something and the ump thought is was her. Pitcher could have said something as she said she was struggling as well. Some folks are only
asking to make sure if something else wasn't done or said to make this happen as just by what was told, it doesn't merit ejection. Just looking at BOTH sides
and possibilities.

Just like someone pointed out that the second base ump is much closer than a catcher is to make a call on a slide...that's fact. Somebody with emotion in the game
sometimes sees a situation a bit differently than someone not involved. Emotions always can cloud an opinion as we all know from sports. Again, it was
just pointed out. Not saying she was wrong and that the slide was or wasn't bad. Just another side to think about.

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My post immediately followed your Core, but I wasn't necessarily responding to you.. her conduct was question in this post;

"Deliberate? Come on. The ump was standing 10 feet from the play. You were at home plate and wearing a catcher mask and helmet. He had a much better view. If the umpire didn't think it was deliberate, then it wasn't deliberate.

I'm sorry your friend got hurt. It is a tough luck. One of my DD's almost got all of her teeth knocked out in a softball game. My other DD broke a kid's ankle. I have had my ribs broken twice playing basketball. It sucks. It is part of the game.

As to Incident 2:

I raised three daughters, and coached hundreds of young girls. So, my first thought about is, "I don't think we're getting the whole story." I would love to hear the umpire's version. Do you think he might say something different?

Since your friend got hurt and you felt it was deliberate, and you are still upset about it hours after the game...I have a feeling that your conduct was less than stellar. "

From a guy with the experience who coached thousands of girls, the umpire never seems to be wrong. "If the umpire didn't think it was deliberate, then it wasn't deliberate"... really?? I seen good umpires 3 feet from a play make the wrong call and bad umpires consistently make bad calls.

This is where her conduct was questioned....
"I have a feeling that your conduct was less than stellar"

Ok, I was like...geez...I didn't mean anything by my comment...haha

CoreSoftball20 said:

Ok, I was like...geez...I didn't mean anything by my comment...haha

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LOL.. sorry I should been more clear where my comments were directed.

CoreSoftball20 said:

Are you sure no comment was made during the celebration that you forgot to mention?

You already mentioned you were still hot over the call at second and also that the umps made other calls
you didn't like.

I have/still play a ton of ball, and I know I have made comments in the heat of a game or after a rough inning (when I was younger of course ), made rough by
bad calls or plays. Slip in a sarcastic remark or something?

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I'm sure no inflammatory comment was made when the pitcher and I celebrated. If anything, what I said to the pitcher was congratulatory. I think I said something along the lines of "great job, let's keep going". I don't think a comment along those lines would warrant getting tossed.

Your right, I was still hot after what happened a few innings earlier. I was also still kinda hot about all of the bad calls the ump crew was making. I never said a word though.

Something I did fail to mention because I didn't think it made a difference. The batter that was at the plate when the first incident happened is a teammate in travel ball and we were having a conversation at the plate while we were waiting for medical to come for the injured shortstop. The conversation was friendly and nothing derogatory was said.

Ok, I was just checking because stuff gets said in the heat of game without knowing it. Even if its congratulatory, it may have hints of
shots at the umpiring. One thing to consider, someone else may have said something or rode the umpire, and you paid the price for it.

Is it right, no...but he may have had enough and made an example.

Btw, love the profile pic...go Phils

CoreSoftball20 said:

Ok, I was just checking because stuff gets said in the heat of game without knowing it. Even if its congratulatory, it may have hints of
shots at the umpiring. One thing to consider, someone else may have said something or rode the umpire, and you paid the price for it.

Is it right, no...but he may have had enough and made an example.

Btw, love the profile pic...go Phils

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There were parents at the game that were getting a little out of hand. I don't know if they may have had a hand in it. The ones that were being rowdy weren't parents for our team but team. it seems kinda funny to me...but what do I know.

Thank you for liking my profile pic. I have been a Phillies fan ever since I can remember as well as The Eagles and The Flyers and Pens. I'm shocked how well they've been playing this season. I'm hoping we can keep it up. Have you made it to CBP yet this season? I've made it to three games so far.