A/elite level pitcher

WARRIORMIKE · Sep 25, 2017

When my dd is on with her pitching its game on. When she off, oh boy, look out! Angela does not throw hard (mid to low 50's) but the command of her off speed stuff will get a batter thinking. Either grounding out or weak hits in the infield. There have games where she might throw only 50 pitches in seven innings and we win the game. Some games maybe way more pitches. When she throws 7/8 pitches per inning and we are getting the outs, she looks great. When defense gets the errors, it can make a pitcher look bad. So pitchers either get the glory or get the fault.....

CoogansBluff · Sep 25, 2017

dgat7 said:
Just out of curiosity what does coaches consider an “A”/elite pitcher?

What is ''A''?

What is elite?

Is "A" level the top 10 percent of travel teams at a given age division? Top 20 percent?

If I'm a coach looking for a pitcher to play a certain level, the main thing that I'm looking for is a history of production at that level, or a dominance at a slightly lower level.

I believe that it's over-thinking to declare that it's mainly about one major thing - speed, or control, or repertoire, or mental makeup. You can separate yourself with any of the four so long as you're solid at the other three.

Greenmonsters · Sep 25, 2017

IME/O, very few pitchers throw a true, 6-12 back spinning riseball and the RB gets a bad rep because the number of pitchers who can throw a good drop ball is about the same as the number of pitchers whose "riseball" is really just a high fastball. Also, a bad or misthrown drop ball is normally just a dirt ball, whereas a bad or misthrown RB often is one or more run.

JAD · Sep 25, 2017

spleen1015 said:
I would trust what riseball says, but for me, I have no freaking clue. My DD has just started the whole recruiting process and I am learning how all of this works. I know of a pitcher with great command & movement not getting much love from D1 schools, but a pitcher that throws 62+ with no command is getting lots of love. The first strikes out 8-10 every game while the second might do that while walking 1 or 2 every inning and she gets hit a lot more than the 1st. It baffles me.

What age group are the pitchers? Physical size? LHP vs RHP? As softball recruiting has started younger and younger a lot of coaches recruit size with the thought they can coach up control and movement.

KCPRK · Sep 29, 2017

One that never allows a hitter to barrel up and hit the ball hard.

MNDad · Sep 29, 2017

KCPRK said:
One that never allows a hitter to barrel up and hit the ball hard.

That eliminates my kid

marriard · Sep 29, 2017

KCPRK said:
One that never allows a hitter to barrel up and hit the ball hard.

Have to REALLY disagree here.. Travel pitchers and travel hitters. Sometimes they ARE going to get you. Understanding that (and how to react to that) is part of being a pitcher.

Softball scholar · Sep 29, 2017

dgat7 said:
Just out of curiosity what does coaches consider an “A”/elite pitcher? Someone you know that is going to K 15 batters a game? Or throws 7 different pitches hit most of their spots and let defense do the work? Or just a high velocity strike thrower when an off-speed pitch and can throw a strike especially when needed?

If I had two pitchers, and one said she could throw three pitches and one said she could throw seven, Im taking the pitcher that can throw 3.

sluggers · Sep 29, 2017

IME/O, very few pitchers throw a true, 6-12 back spinning riseball and the RB gets a bad rep because the number of pitchers who can throw a good drop ball is about the same as the number of pitchers whose "riseball" is really just a high fastball.

There weren't any college pitchers throwing a 6-12 riseball. Good riseball pitchers usually throw it with 1-7 spin.

Most pitchers throw a high bullet spin pitch and call it a riseball. It can be effective against most hitters. The very good hitters can handle a bullet spin pitch.

With the hot bats and better instruction, even mishits produce homeruns. Unlike an MLB batter who has to hit the ball very close to dead center to produce a home run, softball hitters can mishit the ball and still get one out of the park.

Kelly Barnhill was one of the few pitchers throwing a real riseball, and she struck out more than 50% of the batters she faced.

Greenmonsters · Sep 29, 2017

sluggers said:
There weren't any college pitchers throwing a 6-12 riseball. Good riseball pitchers usually throw it with 1-7 spin.

Most pitchers throw a high bullet spin pitch and call it a riseball. It can be effective against most hitters. The very good hitters can handle a bullet spin pitch.

With the hot bats and better instruction, even mishits produce homeruns. Unlike an MLB batter who has to hit the ball very close to dead center to produce a home run, softball hitters can mishit the ball and still get one out of the park.

Kelly Barnhill was one of the few pitchers throwing a real riseball, and she struck out more than 50% of the batters she faced.

No argument from me. I can live with Barnhill and the others with near perfect backspin

Her/their results speak for themselves. The corkscrew fastball rise ballers are the source of the bad rep (and many HRs)!

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