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Jun 6, 2016
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I would put the elite player at 1B as it's highly likely they will touch the ball more (covering bunts, receiving throws from infielders, foul pop-ups, cut-off/relay person, fielding ground balls, involved in run-downs/pickles, etc.). With that said, if you have a pitching staff that induces a lot of fly balls, hits to the outfield you might have to adjust that strategy.

If I am drafting a team for defense, the following is the order of importance:

P
C
SS
1B
CF
3B
2B
LF
RF

*while all players are important on a team, some positions are more important. For example, having a dominate RF is not the same as having a dominant P.

The problem with this line of thinking is that, at a level where everybody on the team can throw/catch (not some 10U rec team), literally every single player out there can receive a throw or catch a pop-up or be a relay person. Those are all basic skills, and that's why the position is less valuable. "Important" is the wrong word because, yes, all those things are important, but they're also fundamental to the game. There's nothing special about them.

Fielding ground balls is important, but 1Bs field fewer of them than the other positions, so it's less important. And run-downs don't happen nearly enough to be a real consideration here. You can put your stud CF at 1B because she's good at run-downs. I'll keep her in CF where she will have more opportunities to help a team win games.

Again, there's a reason why, for the most part, players move down the established defensive spectrum as they get older, suffer injuries that sap their ability, etc., usually ending up at a corner OF spot or 1B (or DH). And you don't see many SS or CF end up at 1B because, generally, the bat doesn't play at 1B when (again) almost the entire population of players can play that position, including all the best hitters.
 
May 8, 2012
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As a father of an outfielder...i think they get the get the short end of the stick on talent...most people only remember the spectacular grab...but a good outfielder can make difficult pkays look routine..whether its a good route, or great speed that closes the gap to the ball. My personal observation to all this, is it depends on your P. Just regular players, against regular opposition, i will give it to the infield. Regular team vs a high level team, i give the nod to the outfield, because i think the hitters will have their way with the P. Dominate P vs elite..infield again. Everything will revolve around the P and their ability.
DD plays for a small hs..there are only like 3 travel players even on the team. There are no cuts, so you have what you have. DD's frosh season, shes SS to the 2 sr pitchers who were pretty decent. DD hadnt played infield at all since like 11yrs old. P's graduate, and her soph and jr year shes in her home in OF..why? Because our P's are totally hittable and cant dominate. It all revolves around your P staff. So even as one of the top players on her HS team, DD is much more useful in the OF in that situation
 
Nov 18, 2013
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CF is a different animal than LF or RF. It’s like comparing a SS to 1B. You need strong CF’s and SS’s. You can put any old schlep at 1B or RF or LF. There’s a good reason I always played RF as a kid and it wasn’t because outfielders are more precious.

If you’re coaching a travel team and only have eight players, where do you play people? A strong case could be made for vacating 2B, but every time I’ve seen it they dropped to two OF’s.

As for IF mistakes leading to singles and OF doubles and triples, P mistakes lead to walks, HR’s and crooked innings. On a serious note, every position from starting SS to bullpen catcher is critical for a team to be successful. As soon as you have players (or parents) thinking their position is more important things go south real quick.
 

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Not unusual to see a SS get more "chances" in a game than the entire OF. Also not rare for a corner OF to not have any chances. IME a great 1B will get/save at least one or two outs more a game than an adequate 1B if you've got a ground ball pitcher.
 
Aug 12, 2014
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Not unusual to see a SS get more "chances" in a game than the entire OF. Also not rare for a corner OF to not have any chances. IME a great 1B will get/save at least one or two outs more a game than an adequate 1B if you've got a ground ball pitcher.

Right. I don't understand the "anyone can play first" mentality. There is a huge difference when you have a firstbaseman that can scoop they balls out of the dirt, really stretch well, etc.

The reason the "stuck in the outfield" mentality exists is because that's what it really is at the younger levels. There aren't very many balls hit to the outfield at those levels, and the ones that are usually are just grounders that got through. Coaches put the best players in the IF because they get 95% of the plays. So when you get to the older age groups, it's been really drilled in to girls that being put in the OF means you are a weaker player.
 
Jun 12, 2015
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Right. I don't understand the "anyone can play first" mentality. There is a huge difference when you have a firstbaseman that can scoop they balls out of the dirt, really stretch well, etc.

The reason the "stuck in the outfield" mentality exists is because that's what it really is at the younger levels. There aren't very many balls hit to the outfield at those levels, and the ones that are usually are just grounders that got through. Coaches put the best players in the IF because they get 95% of the plays. So when you get to the older age groups, it's been really drilled in to girls that being put in the OF means you are a weaker player.

So true. Of course, I remember playing the Frost Falcons in 8U. We were brand new to travel and hadn't heard of them or anything. I don't know why they were playing in whatever low level tournament we were in at the time, probably points for PCB, but our inexperienced little outfield sure stood out again them. But when we played teams that were at our level in 8U, it was pretty clear the outfield was just where you put your weakest players. Although at least with the 8U rules around here, catcher didn't matter much then either. No stealing. Our 8U catcher was not a bad player but she was the youngest girl on the team so she was behind most of the rest of them. Huge difference when you move up to 10U and the catcher is all of a sudden critical.
 
Apr 26, 2015
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Revisiting this thread today after a couple things reignited my frustrations about lack of respect for the OF...

2 things have happened recently...

DD played LF … only freshman on the Varsity team - with 5 juniors and 5 seniors. She was thrilled to have a starting position. This HS coach said "jump", you said "how high". If you showed attitude or lack of hustle there was plenty of room on the bench - she would pull up someone from JV even during a game.

Fast forward to club season. DD is playing on a 2nd yr 14s team. She loves the girls but is actually getting very annoyed with the lack of team first attitude. This weekend we had 2 girls who quite obviously half a$$ed everything they did when they weren't playing at their desired positions (2nd and SS). We got beat soundly on several hits that were lazily retrieved in the OF. They didn't hustle, let balls drop right in front of them and just lobbed the ball back in. It was ridiculous. When asked later why? They both said they didn't want to play OF. Face palm. DD was catching and honestly wanted so badly to be in the OF, but she played her heart out behind the plate...for her team.

So...today I get a call from a parent on another team. He tells me how his daughter (a 2nd/SS) was "dumped in LF" during HS season. OH MY GOSH! I don't want to hear it.

WHY do people not appreciate the OF? and WHY call the parent of an OF and complain about being "dumped" there?????

I get the flash and glamour of infield and pitching...but a good OF is priceless as well. Take away the OF...what happens? And honestly, if your kid plays on a good team - teach them to BE VERSITILE - teach them how to track a ball, and where to throw and they will become MUCH more valuable to ANY team. And teach them to play ANY and EVERY position with everything they've got!

jumping off the soapbox now...
 
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Apr 16, 2013
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Enjoyable thread to read. My DD is a catcher, 1b, and OF, usually right. She doesn't like OF, period. Not for lack of skill, just lack of action. However, she doesn't understand the meaning of "taking it easy". In baseball she has been at first since she started playing. She worked her tail off to learn everything from proper footwork to receiving, scooping, jumping (placing the tag while in the air), full on split stretching, etc etc etc. In the OF she has never made an error the entire year and she made some pretty good plays. For the fall our #1 pitcher left and 1st was her second position. The #2 pitcher played there when #1 was pitching. Now, my DD finally got her chance to shine. The plan was to give her the innings at first while "#2" was pitching. Well, now, when my DD isn't catching, she's at first. "#2" now plays left field most of the time, when not pitching. The difference between a skilled 1B and "any player" is just night and day. Even when a ball is thrown right to the 1B, a good stetch takes a way a full, leaping, step from the base runner. However, now, 95% of everything thrown, that's within human reach, is caught. A quality 1B makes your fielders look SO much better. Just like a quality catcher makes your pitcher look so much better. So, while anyone "can" play 1B, well, so can anyone play catcher. However, a skilled 1B is night and day from just throwing a girl there.

Sorry if that felt like a rant. :D
 
Jun 12, 2015
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Last week in one of our games a girl hit a hard fly ball into foul territory in left field. The player who was in left field is fast and athletic. She ran full speed and caught the ball while sliding into the fence. This weekend we had two different batters (on our team) hit bombs into no man's land in right center. The opposing team's CF made not one but two spectacular diving catches. She was so impressive it was hard to be upset about getting robbed. My DD pitches so I love a good outfielder. Nothing like watching your DD give up a big hit, and one of her outfielders saves her from giving up a run or 3.
 

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