Another Scoring Question

Found this on the MLB website,

9.06 Determining Value of Base Hits
Rule 9.06 Comment: The official scorer shall not credit the batter with a three-base hit when a preceding runner is put out at home plate, or would have been out but for an error. The
official scorer shall not credit the batter with a two-base hit when a preceding runner trying to advance from first base is put out at third base, or would have been out but for an error.

What I get from this is the batter would get the credit for a base hit in these scenarios.

If a force out is made on a runner, I don't believe the scorekeeper has any discretion call it a hit even if the scorekeeper believes the batter would have reached safely had the play been attempted on the batter.

I looked up the NCAA rule just because it's easy to find with Google. To be scored as a hit, an attempt on a preceding runner has to be unsuccessful.

14.2.3 Base Hit: A batted ball that permits the batter to
reach first base safely because of a fair hit; because a runner is
declared out for being hit by a batted ball or because the umpire
is hit by a batted ball; or when a fielder attempts to put
out a preceding runner but is unsuccessful, although there is
no fielding error and the official scorer believes the batter-runner
would have reached first base with perfect fielding; when a
batter reaches first base safely on a fair ball hit with such force
or so slowly that any fielder attempting to make a play has no
opportunity to do so. A hit shall be scored even if the fielder
deflects the ball from or cuts off another fielder who could have
put out a runner

There are no accommodations made for good or bad baserunning, if runner is forced to run to next base and is out it is FC.

Here is the thing. Scoring rules just aren't fair. Bases loaded pitcher makes perfect pitch and batter hits a lazy fly to LF. LF loses it in the sun and 3 runs score. Pitcher did her job but it's still a double and 3 earned runs. In the OP on this one, the batter hit a ball that caused a runner to get out. If no one was on it's a hit, but in this case it's a FC. Batting behind slow or bad base runners can hurt your average.

canyonjoe said:

Here is the thing. Scoring rules just aren't fair.

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Yup.

There are quite a few situations where a scorekeeper can make judgment calls, but force outs aren't one of them. It's not a hit if someone was forced out.

(And I think that over the course of a season, a batter's luck usually evens out. For every FC that could have been a hit, there are hits that could have been outs.)

canyonjoe said:

Here is the thing. Scoring rules just aren't fair. Bases loaded pitcher makes perfect pitch and batter hits a lazy fly to LF. LF loses it in the sun and 3 runs score. Pitcher did her job but it's still a double and 3 earned runs. In the OP on this one, the batter hit a ball that caused a runner to get out. If no one was on it's a hit, but in this case it's a FC. Batting behind slow or bad base runners can hurt your average.

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that is an ERROR

Bob516 said:

Found this on the MLB website,

9.06 Determining Value of Base Hits
Rule 9.06 Comment: The official scorer shall not credit the batter with a three-base hit when a preceding runner is put out at home plate, or would have been out but for an error. The
official scorer shall not credit the batter with a two-base hit when a preceding runner trying to advance from first base is put out at third base, or would have been out but for an error.

What I get from this is the batter would get the credit for a base hit in these scenarios.

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The situation you describe here does not involve a force out.

Ryan2 said:

that is an ERROR

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If you lose the ball in the sun, and this is what caused the ball to drop, it's a hit.

And we wonder why college coaches aren't interested in prospects' statistics?!!!

Yeah, this is an easy one. It's a fielder's choice. It's not even up for any kind of debate or judgment.

Had one girl on my team get screwed by this more than once this year because our slowest runner (is there something slower than "station to station? Maybe "station to rest stop to station"?) was on base ahead of her, but scoring rules are what they are. Fielder's choice.