Burn the Ships!!

schwabach · Jul 30, 2017

Gtrips07 said:
All professional sports are entertainment based on supply and demand. Increase the demand and salaries will go up.

I took my daughter to the WBSC junior world championships and the crowds were tiny. The week passes weren't cheap but worth it. Given the travel ball season is winding down and so is rec leagues, you think they would offer package deals to local teams.

If you don't create interest you won't create demand .

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You're right about that. Softball needs better marketing. The SEC is doing an A-1 job in their conference. People need to apply those lessons to the other conferences and to Team USA and the pro teams. It a fast game, every bit as good as baseball and takes 2/3 the time. While I don't see women making the crazy salaries you see in baseball any time soon, it would be nice if they could earn enough to focus on their sport.

Gtrips07 · Jul 30, 2017

Cyder517 said:
Wait, you're disappointed because these players are sharing their frustration of how a pro-softball player can't make a decent living????

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Yes, because in the clip they are lementing how much a pro baseball player makes vs a pro sodtball player and how unfair it is that a young woman earns some significant multiple less. Guess what, the guys and girls who fly drones and play video games for a living make more than pro softball players too! Supply and demand drives the market.

I understand wanting to make more money doing something that you like but the demand for the product is not there, so why compare what they make vs. MLB and then bemoan it?

Back in the 80's a A level minor league umpire made 1,200.00 a month plus a small per diem. Those who were at that level worked at best six months out of the year. People did it for the love of the game.

I would also add there are more professions that you can't make a liveable wage but people do it because it is a choice they make.

If one chooses a profession that doesn't pay a livable wage, should one shake thier fist at others because of they choice they made.

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Gtrips07 · Jul 30, 2017

schwabach said:
You're right about that. Softball needs better marketing. The SEC is doing an A-1 job in their conference. People need to apply those lessons to the other conferences and to Team USA and the pro teams. It a fast game, every bit as good as baseball and takes 2/3 the time. While I don't see women making the crazy salaries you see in baseball any time soon, it would be nice if they could earn enough to focus on their sport.

If I was an investor in the women's professional league, I might want to schedule games at some of the major girl's tourneys around the country. Talk about having a perfect audience.

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Cyder517 · Jul 30, 2017

Gtrips07 said:
Yes, because in the clip they are lementing how much a pro baseball player makes vs a pro sodtball player and how unfair it is that a young woman earns some significant multiple less. Guess what, the guys and girls who fly drones and play video games for a living make more than pro softball players too! Supply and demand drives the market.

I understand wanting to make more money doing something that you like but the demand for the product is not there, so why compare what they make vs. MLB and then bemoan it?

Back in the 80's a A level minor league umpire made 1,200.00 a month plus a small per diem. Those who were at that level worked at best six months out of the year. People did it for the love of the game.

I would also add there are more professions that you can't make a liveable wage but people do it because it is a choice they make.

If one chooses a profession that doesn't pay a livable wage, should one shake thier fist at others because of they choice they made.

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I'm glad that you are so enlightened and believe that the equality of NPF vs MLB comes down to simple supply/demand. Before I sound like a Feminazi, I'm just going to stop here

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riseball · Jul 30, 2017

Cyder517 said:
I'm glad that you are so enlightened and believe that the equality of NPF vs MLB comes down to simple supply/demand. Before I sound like a Feminazi, I'm just going to stop here

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What else would it be other than supply and demand?

Gtrips07 · Jul 30, 2017

Cyder517 said:
I'm glad that you are so enlightened and believe that the equality of NPF vs MLB comes down to simple supply/demand. Before I sound like a Feminazi, I'm just going to stop here

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Most entertainment, which would include ALL professional sports is primarily a factor of dollars and cents whether you believe it or not. If you can't fill up seats and make a return equal to the risk you get very few who will invest in a business.

As someone has already said and I agree with and have seen first hand, the SEC can but people in the seats and fill stadiums. Whether they are income nuetral or not, I am not sure.

Why is it that there are women making as money as men in E-sports?

And btw, if you think there is some sinister reason why NPF isn't more popular I would love to hear it and hear about how much money you have invested in the league??

Can any of these sinister reasons be tje cause of why men's fastpitch doesn't have a high paying professional league as well?

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CoachJD · Jul 31, 2017

Cyder517 said:
I'm glad that you are so enlightened and believe that the equality of NPF vs MLB comes down to simple supply/demand. Before I sound like a Feminazi, I'm just going to stop here

Very few people attend games and they don't have a national TV deal. Where, exactly, is the money coming from that should go to the players? You think teams in the NPF fold so often because the owners are making money (there are currently 6 NPF teams; 10 NPF franchises have folded in the past 12 years)?

Everybody here would love it if professional softball was bigger. You're getting upset at the wrong people.

There have been threads on this before. I think the best way for pro softball to do something that resembles thriving right now would be for MLB to subsidize it. The WNBA only exists because the NBA takes it as a loss (and I've heard that it's mostly kept afloat out of respect to David Stern). The NBA (rightly, imo) sees value in promoting women's basketball even if the league itself doesn't make money.

625ender · Jul 31, 2017

riseball said:
What else would it be other than supply and demand?

Bottom line! A consumers sports entertainment dollar is finite. Womens sports are rarely on the minds of consumers with a couple of exceptions. World Cup Soccer and Tennis. Womens collegiate athletics are heavily subsidized. UCONN Bball again another exception

The great majority of fans would watch LeBron over Bustos or Harper over Barnhill

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