Kentucky HS equipment rule.

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Strike2

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Nov 14, 2014
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Let me start by saying I have no problem with any player wearing any equipment on defense that they feel will protect them to whatever level of comfort them see fit.

That said, I wonder what will happen if a player wearing a mask gets clobbered and seriously injured or killed. Remember, there is no standard set.

Not big fan of the government sticking their nose into this or other sports situations.

And I tire of the cowardice demonstrated by coaches and parents who beg for such a rule mandating the masks. If it was that important to them, why is there a need for a rule or law to get them on their players/daughters during a game?

I agree that parents should take charge of their kids safety. I've seen more than one instance of a parent wanting the player to wear a mask, but the player refusing. To me, that's a very easy solution...you're not playing until you put it on.

However...

The argument that the mask might itself contribute to injury / death when hit by a softball appears speculative, counter-intuitive, and without foundation. It certainly runs counter to everything I've personally seen with them. That's like saying we shouldn't have seat belts or airbags in cars because THEY could cause injury in a collision.

I'd really like to see an example of a successful lawsuit showing how a mask injured a player BEYOND what would have happened had the mask not been there. If such a lawsuit was brought, it would come against the manufacturer, and would allege some type of design or manufacturing defect. An injury lawsuit against a state sports regulatory agency for requiring a piece of commonly used gear in the interests of player safety seems a long-shot.

This requirement, I believe, only extends to high school. Most high schools are part of government organizations, and their sports are regulated by state agencies. So, the appropriate regulatory body "sticking their nose into this or other sports situations" is entirely normal. Your aversion to the government getting involved seems at odds with your argument that "there is no standard". In the absence of that elusive "standard", manufacturers have a vested interest in making their protective equipment safe and effective. Good products rise quickly, and bad products sink fast. Sometimes, an idea is good enough to not have to wait for one regulatory body to catch up with another.
 
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Does anyone have the actual rule Kentucky is implementing? Everything I have seen just says face protection and must be worn as intended by manufacture. Well, a grinding face shield from Home Depot or Lowes is face protection but isnt going to do much for stopping a softball.
 
Aug 29, 2011
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NorCal
Let me start by saying I have no problem with any player wearing any equipment on defense that they feel will protect them to whatever level of comfort them see fit.

That said, I wonder what will happen if a player wearing a mask gets clobbered and seriously injured or killed. Remember, there is no standard set.

Not big fan of the government sticking their nose into this or other sports situations.

And I tire of the cowardice demonstrated by coaches and parents who beg for such a rule mandating the masks. If it was that important to them, why is there a need for a rule or law to get them on their players/daughters during a game?

Catching equipment and batting helmets should be totally optional too.
 
Apr 16, 2010
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Alabama
I agree that parents should take charge of their kids safety. I've seen more than one instance of a parent wanting the player to wear a mask, but the player refusing. To me, that's a very easy solution...you're not playing until you put it on.

However...

The argument that the mask might itself contribute to injury / death when hit by a softball appears speculative, counter-intuitive, and without foundation. It certainly runs counter to everything I've personally seen with them. That's like saying we shouldn't have seat belts or airbags in cars because THEY could cause injury in a collision.

I'd really like to see an example of a successful lawsuit showing how a mask injured a player BEYOND what would have happened had the mask not been there. If such a lawsuit was brought, it would come against the manufacturer, and would allege some type of design or manufacturing defect. An injury lawsuit against a state sports regulatory agency for requiring a piece of commonly used gear in the interests of player safety seems a long-shot.

This requirement, I believe, only extends to high school. Most high schools are part of government organizations, and their sports are regulated by state agencies. So, the appropriate regulatory body "sticking their nose into this or other sports situations" is entirely normal. Your aversion to the government getting involved seems at odds with your argument that "there is no standard". In the absence of that elusive "standard", manufacturers have a vested interest in making their protective equipment safe and effective. Good products rise quickly, and bad products sink fast. Sometimes, an idea is good enough to not have to wait for one regulatory body to catch up with another.

The difference is seat belts and airbags are regulated to meet certain standards. Every single car on the road has to have these items and these items must be manufactured to meet strict safety requirements regardless of what company made them. The NFHS thought about making face masks mandatory but declined to do so mainly because they are not and will not ever be certified by the NOCSAE because they do not provide full protection for the face and head.

I don't have a problem with girls wearing masks and they do help prevent injuries but having them mandated by a public institution opens up a liability issue. They are telling girls that may not wear a mask that they now have to wear a piece of equipment that is not certified to meet any type of minimum standards of protection. Honestly if someone pushed the issue they would probably have to over turn this rule because of this.
 
Aug 29, 2011
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Catching helmets and batting helmets have a safety certification, no such certification for fielder facemasks.

I'm fairly certain they didn't have a certification when they were first introduced and mandated.

If states adopt rules about masks you can be reasonably sure such certifications will not be long in coming.
 
Apr 16, 2010
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Alabama
Catching equipment and batting helmets should be totally optional too.

They both catchers helmets and batters helmets with face masks are required and both must be certified by NOCSAE. Any one out there could produce a face mask and market it and as long as they have good insurance they could make a killing. You can't do that with batting helmets or catchers helmets because they could not be sold or used without gaining NOCSAE certification.

The simple solution is for parents to make it mandatory for their child. None of this matters if parents use common sense. My DD wore one in 8U and wore it in the IF through her first year of 12's. I let her take it off during the first year of 12's when I felt her skill level was sufficient in the outfield but she still wore it when we practice in the infield. I am not anti mask I just think the way they have done this will cause unnecessary risk to an organization that regulates HS sports in Ky and one major lawsuit could impact thousands of athletes in the state in every sport.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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Orlando, FL
I'm fairly certain they didn't have a certification when they were first introduced and mandated.

If states adopt rules about masks you can be reasonably sure such certifications will not be long in coming.

Yes, this is true they did not have the testing and certification decades ago when first mandated. Initially people got hurt and helmet standards were enacted. However, this is 2017 and times have changed. Now you must have the horse in front of the cart.
 
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