Circle violation question

Annesdad · Apr 12, 2017

Daughter playing in 10U tournament last week. Runner on third. Batter walks. Catcher throws ball to pitcher inside the circle. Walked batter rounds first and returns to base.

What is the correct ruling on this? I was under the impression that she had to either continue to 2 or she's out. Ump said that the runner can commit to 1st after rounding base which doesn't make sense to me.

This is our first year in travel and have limited experience with walks since our rec league went to coach pitch after 4 balls. In All-Stars this was called against us so I thought I understood.

Thanks in advance!

grcsftbll · Apr 12, 2017

My understanding is she can round then has to either go back or continue to 2nd if the pitcher has the ball in the circle, as opposed to the little cat and mouse they do sometimes trying to get a delayed steal.

What is the “look back” rule?

quincy · Apr 12, 2017

Sounds good to me.

Runner can round 1sr, they need to go our reteat.

riseball · Apr 12, 2017

In a nutshell she gets to stop once, then must continue one way or the other.

grmerrill · Apr 12, 2017

To build on what riseball said.... can stop once then must immediately proceed to their base.

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grmerrill · Apr 12, 2017

It's called the lookback rule.

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BretMan · Apr 12, 2017

Runner may round a base (any base, and on any type of advancement, not just a walk).

When the look back rule is in effect, a runner may stop once between bases. She then must immediately either retreat to the last base or advance to the next one, without stopping or reversing direction a second time.

That's about as briefly as we can put it. There are all sorts of "ifs and maybes" to the rule - they take up an entire page in the rule book!

Annesdad · Apr 12, 2017

BretMan said:
Runner may round a base (any base, and on any type of advancement, not just a walk).

When the look back rule is in effect, a runner may stop once between bases. She then must immediately either retreat to the last base or advance to the next one, without stopping or reversing direction a second time.

That's about as briefly as we can put it. There are all sorts of "ifs and maybes" to the rule - they take up an entire page in the rule book!

So how long can she stand there? In this situation she stood there for a few seconds.

knightsb · Apr 12, 2017

USSSA:

The LOOK-BACK RULE is in effect when the ball is live, the batter-runner has touched first base or has been declared out, and the pitcher has possession of the ball (e.g. has the ball in their hand, glove, under arm or chin, between their legs) within the 16-foot circle.

Any runner(s) in motion may continue without stopping or may stop once, Any runner who is stopped or stops their motion must immediately move directly back to the last base touched or attempt to advance to the next base. Once the runner stops at a base for any reason, they may not move off that base.

A batter-runner who overruns first and does not without delay attempt to advance to second is committed to return to first and stop.
The runner, off base, may not stand motionless.
There does not need to be any motion or recognition by the pitcher.
Failure of the runner to respond as indicated shall cause the Umpire to signal the runner out. The ball shall be declared dead.

Annesdad · Apr 12, 2017

knightsb said:
USSSA:

The LOOK-BACK RULE is in effect when the ball is live, the batter-runner has touched first base or has been declared out, and the pitcher has possession of the ball (e.g. has the ball in their hand, glove, under arm or chin, between their legs) within the 16-foot circle.

Any runner(s) in motion may continue without stopping or may stop once, Any runner who is stopped or stops their motion must immediately move directly back to the last base touched or attempt to advance to the next base. Once the runner stops at a base for any reason, they may not move off that base.

A batter-runner who overruns first and does not without delay attempt to advance to second is committed to return to first and stop.
The runner, off base, may not stand motionless.
There does not need to be any motion or recognition by the pitcher.
Failure of the runner to respond as indicated shall cause the Umpire to signal the runner out. The ball shall be declared dead.

So she stood motionless - so she should have been called out. Got it!
Thanks!

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