Good vids that breakdown throwdown mechanics?

erniekru · Dec 17, 2018

I've spent so much time with batting and to a certain degree catching, but ironically the only video of my daughter I can find is one from May of this year when she had just turned 12. Anyway, by no means is this video representative of perfect mechanics. However, I'm posting this video to show 2 differences to the video that you had posted. 1) practice being way more economical and speedy with the footwork. I see your DD taking 2 bigger steps, maybe try taking 1 short step and move both feet at the same time with her rear landing slightly before the front. To me the speed is in getting the right foot down and pointed in the right direction. 2) Be more economical with the path of the ball from catch to cocked throw to release. No extra movements and the ball should never be still.

As I said before, this video is far from perfect but I do think it illustrates the 2 points above.

FWIW, the drill was "full cheater" work on speedy release throw to 3B, think lefty batter and runner 2B stealing.

justanotherguy · Dec 17, 2018

We've been out in the garage working. Tried a few different things, but I think bringing the hand and glove to the ear worked best. She slowly stopped the extra "pump". Just slow movements, feeling it out, from the knees only. https://youtu.be/e657nN_QC9g

Eric F · Dec 17, 2018

For knee-throwing mechanics, check these out...

Step-by-step process - https://www.facebook.com/JenSchroCatching/videos/1159046994123625/
Aubree Munro example - https://www.facebook.com/JenSchroCatching/videos/1495894653772189/

The left knee driving forward to create separation is important.

Eric F · Dec 17, 2018

justanotherguy said:
We've been out in the garage working. Tried a few different things, but I think bringing the hand and glove to the ear worked best. She slowly stopped the extra "pump". Just slow movements, feeling it out, from the knees only. https://youtu.be/e657nN_QC9g

Definitely improved arm action! If the thought of "glove to the ear" works for her - as it appears to - roll with it.

In the garage, from a standing position, you can toss her balls for her to catch, transfer, and pull back to throwing position, while going through her footwork at the same time. Start slow, get the muscle memory building, and then start speeding up the dance.

#10 · Dec 17, 2018

Eric F said:
We will just have to disagree on this issue, then. IMO, bringing the mitt to the right side of the body is unnecessary travel. Transferring in front of the chest creates a shorter and quicker pattern. This is the way my DD was instructed by a former top-D1/Team USA/NPF catcher. It's also what I see from the best in MLB. Here's a few guys who do it pretty well...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtH2ZMhIJzg

justanotherguy - Lots to be learned from the above video - footwork, etc.

No worries, there's more than one way to skin a cat!

What I've seen with kids transferring in front of the chest is that the unnecessary travel presents itself in a much longer throwing motion. Glove to ear, when done properly, keeps the catcher compact and brings the ball to the ear (release point) more efficiently. The only movement in the receiving arm is the forearm pivoting at the elbow, snapping the mitt to the ear.

Here's DD hosing a kid at 2nd who left early at Don Battles On:

https://youtu.be/M4WuOqPYV2A

DRDRODD · Dec 17, 2018

JAG..... does your DD complain of any elbow pain? Just curious because she looks to be very over the top with her forearm over the elbow and the elbow also gets well ahead of the shoulder.

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justanotherguy · Dec 17, 2018

Eric F said:
In the garage, from a standing position, you can toss her balls for her to catch, transfer, and pull back to throwing position, while going through her footwork at the same time. Start slow, get the muscle memory building, and then start speeding up the dance.

Yup, we've got all winter to get it down. We've been down this road with batting so now it's time to work towards catching.

justanotherguy · Dec 17, 2018

DRDRODD said:
JAG..... does your DD complain of any elbow pain? Just curious because she looks to be very over the top with her forearm over the elbow and the elbow also gets well ahead of the shoulder.

Never...ever. While she's not a model student, she comes from the Marshall mechanics school. The "double pump" issue she has came from working with another program that we had to stop and not see it through. If you don't know about Marshall mechanics, google it. She could throw a pretty dang good screwball and slider (baseball) when she was just 9, with zero pain or risk to her arm.

DRDRODD · Dec 17, 2018

justanotherguy said:
Never...ever. While she's not a model student, she comes from the Marshall mechanics school. The "double pump" issue she has came from working with another program that we had to stop and not see it through. If you don't know about Marshall mechanics, google it. She could throw a pretty dang good screwball and slider (baseball) when she was just 9, with zero pain or risk to her arm.

That’s great glad to hear she is pain free.... I will have to check the Marshall mechanics out.... Never heard of it before.

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#10 · Dec 17, 2018

justanotherguy said:
Here's a live throw down and a skills video throw down. The live throwdown isn't anything special, it's just one I can remember and easily find of the massive amount of videos I have because she hit several HR's that day. (Our skills video is just her and I, no budget, no frills. This is just one throwdown pulled out of the whole video.) She gets a LOT of runners because of her accuracy, above all else. She throws strikes from 90ft over and over again, probably from her years being a baseball pitcher.

https://youtu.be/lxA0Q1_FbUk

I'm having trouble really nailing down one issue to just concentrate on. For one, she's a NECC student that keeps the hand behind the glove. This was reinforced at a camp where the JMU coach said she has her catchers keep the hand behind the glove ALWAYS, runner on or not. My DD took that advice. Sadly, a coach told her not to do that at her prospect camp this past weekend. IDK what's "right". Two, she has a weird kind of "double arm cock". Long story behind that, but I don't know if that is seriously slowing things down, or if it's more footwork related. I just want a list of things to work on, 1 by 1, over the winter and next year. It may not be that easy, but it might be that easy.

I watched this video and your DD has a good arm, no doubt! My takeaway, based off this one clip, is that the exaggerated runners-on stance isn't allowing any bounce in her transition. It seems like she's almost tipping over towards 2nd base coming out of her stance, and being so upright, not dropping her rear and getting any leg drive/explosiveness into the throw.

Here's an example of "bounce" and leg drive, with the majority of the weight distribution favoring the drive leg on the landing:
https://youtu.be/mL6y3j4g-qQ

If you're game, revisit the Ashley Holcombe video I posted on page one and rewatch 0:34-36. My DD did hundreds and hundreds of those reps until it became muscle memory. Sweat equity pays dividends, and if the stars are aligned, college tuition!

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