when do most coaches stop giving signals to C/P

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Oct 1, 2014
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Almost never, but it isn't the most important thing anyway. I can't really think of more than a couple of teams in college where the pitching calls are not in the end coming from the dugout. It is GREAT when you have one - but it is not a skill that is required and even when you have one, it is still should be a joint effort

The skill ALL pitchers, catchers and coaches NEED to learn is that pitch calling is a TEAM EFFORT. Catchers and pitchers should be openly providing input and feedback to the coach, should have the confidence to shake off a bad call and so forth. And coaches should be open to hearing it all and implement their feedback. Everything from batters stance, what pitches are working, what strategies they see, types of batters, etc, etc. Coaches have access to pitch charts/scouting/type of hitter/feel for how their pitcher is feeling/game situation, etc - and more and more info the higher the level or depth of competition.

DD's travel and HS coaches call the games but what pitches are called are based on built up understanding, conversations between innings and in game feedback on what is working/not working. Catcher and pitcher will waive off a pitch when needed - it used to happen all the time but at this point it might happen once or twice a weekend.

When my DD guests she calls her own game as a pitcher and but she loves having her whole battery and coaches involved.

Yes. I almost posted the same thing about it being a "team" effort the other day. Definitely the current trend in women's fastpitch seems to be having the coach calling the majority of the game from the dugout. When it's done well and is a cooperative, joint effort with everyone in tune with each other it can be a thing of beauty. I absolutely believe that when using this approach everyone can benefit from analyzing, questioning and "coaching" what was called and why. In my opinion, many of today's catchers are going to end up coaching at some level in their future and those that learn and have experience with the art of calling a game will be that much better off.

The flip side of the coin is the coach who doesn't fully understand the job or his staff and is calling pitches without much rhyme or reason behind his logic. This can be destructive and demoralizing for the battery and for the entire team.

Give the girls back the game, teach/coach them this aspect of it and everyone will be better for it...as a team!
 
Feb 17, 2014
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That’s what is confusing. It’s great that catchers learn the hitters and learn when to call certain pitches. But what are they working toward? From what I understand though, the catchers don’t usually call pitches in college?


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In TB or the lower ranks of college (no ESPN) how would you expect a catcher to "learn the hitters".
 
Feb 17, 2014
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...Give the girls back the game, teach/coach them this aspect of it and everyone will be better for it...as a team!

As one SEC coach told me - No way I am putting my job in the hands of my players. I teach them to control the controllables, so I control what pitches get thrown and many other aspects of the game.
 
Jun 27, 2018
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In TB or the lower ranks of college (no ESPN) how would you expect a catcher to "learn the hitters".

I understand that question and I wondered that myself. I don’t know, it’s something my daughter’s catching coach talks to her about. Sometimes you do see the same teams and you can get to know the hitters. Actually if my daughter is sitting out a game she does study hitters and tries to learn what they seem to like and dislike, and where they set up. Just trying to gain more game knowledge


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