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    going to most likely be investing in new helmet for DD2 by next spring at the latest, moving up to 12u this year.

    what is the consensus on two piece vs one piece? AC of her team thinks two piece is way to go, to be able to get rid of it quicker for pop ups.

    is a two piece allowable under various rule sets (mostly USSSA tournaments, but they sometimes do others)?

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    They are not allowed for any rule sets that I am aware of. Your coach should know that IMO.

    Also, most are not a fan of removing the helmet. I can see it on a popup but most helmets have great window of vision. My DD has a large melon and has not had an issue seeing popups. She can remove it quickly if needed.


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    As 4gd said, I don't believe that separate mask/helmet (baseball style) combinations are approved for softball. Only hockey-style.

    If you're playing on a field with a large amount of foul territory - like a top level-college stadium - and it's a high pop-up, clearly in foul territory, that gives you plenty of time to remove the mask and toss it clear, then go for it. In EVERY other situation, I am a strong advocate for leaving the mask on your head when the ball is in play.

    $20 says AC has a history with playing and/or coaching baseball.
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    Thanks or the feedback! good to know, and yes, HC has played and coached baseball.

    I was very skeptical of two piece, now I know it is a non issue, if not allowed in rule sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmakj View Post
    Thanks or the feedback! good to know, and yes, HC has played and coached baseball.

    I was very skeptical of two piece, now I know it is a non issue, if not allowed in rule sets.
    Maybe it's time for him to get up to speed on the rules of softball...
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    ASA rule 3A, 3B, and 3C says the catchers mask must have a throat protector and an approved helmet with ear flaps. There is a note below that says a hockey style mask MAY be used, but nowhere does it say that it MUST be used. ASA rules do NOT forbid the use of a two-piece mask rig, but they do forbid just using a fielders mask.

    USSSA rule 2.2 says the catcher shall wear a NOCSAE approved head
    protector (with dual earflaps), an approved mask with throat protector, a body chest protector and shin guards. If a hockey style NOCSAE approved catchers helmet is used, a separate throat protector is not needed. Again, two-piece not prohibited as long as it meets standards.

    That should clear up the rules argument, but I agree with everyone here that throwing the helmet off is unnecessary for pop ups. Hockey style masks have excellent field of vision.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TexAg1998 View Post
    ASA rule 3A, 3B, and 3C says the catchers mask must have a throat protector and an approved helmet with ear flaps. There is a note below that says a hockey style mask MAY be used, but nowhere does it say that it MUST be used. ASA rules do NOT forbid the use of a two-piece mask rig, but they do forbid just using a fielders mask.

    USSSA rule 2.2 says the catcher shall wear a NOCSAE approved head
    protector (with dual earflaps), an approved mask with throat protector, a body chest protector and shin guards. If a hockey style NOCSAE approved catchers helmet is used, a separate throat protector is not needed. Again, two-piece not prohibited as long as it meets standards.

    That should clear up the rules argument, but I agree with everyone here that throwing the helmet off is unnecessary for pop ups. Hockey style masks have excellent field of vision.


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    Served as an evaluator for a 14U tryout last week. One of the girls was wearing a chest protector that was so loose, I wondered if it was actually her equipment. It hung down so low, a passed or tipped ball had a much greater chance of injuring her collar bone or throat area, regardless of the helmet style.

    And do they even make catchers or coaches helmets with dual ear-flaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gags View Post
    Served as an evaluator for a 14U tryout last week. One of the girls was wearing a chest protector that was so loose, I wondered if it was actually her equipment. It hung down so low, a passed or tipped ball had a much greater chance of injuring her collar bone or throat area, regardless of the helmet style.

    And do they even make catchers or coaches helmets with dual ear-flaps?
    Proper equipment fit is critical not only for proper protection, but also efficiency of movement. Based on your description, I would pull the player aside and help her adjust her gear.

    I have not seen catcher/coach helmets with dual ear flaps, but I haven't looked a whole lot, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
    Does ASA reference the NOCSAE standard anywhere?
    ASA references the NOCSAE standard when talking about face masks and offensive batting helmets. Also when players are acting as base coaches they have to wear a helmet with double ear flaps and a mask that meet the NOCSAE standard. It is implied that catchers helmets have to meet the standard but not specifically stated. Iíve never seen a catchers helmet that wasnít NOCSAE, and my DD has had 4 of them over a 10 year period.


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