Runners-On Stance

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May 24, 2013
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I guess I kind of flounder on this topic; and flip-flop back and forth. At this point, I am starting to lean to the idea of no secondary stance for softball, but still believe it is a requirement for baseball. For me, I think this has to do with the throwing distance, as well as the lead off. In baseball, the secondary is required or you're not going to have enough drive to beat the runner. But since softball maintains the same base-path distance at such a young age, hitting second from a low position should still be very doable.

If going to a secondary/runners-on stance means you have the ability to make a stronger throw, why not give yourself that advantage?

I haven't been watching much D1 this year. Are the catchers that stay low throwing from the knees, or do they pop out of the squat?

I have seen both.
 

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May 8, 2009
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I guess my thought is, if the catcher can remain in a low position, it reduces time needed to get down in a block situation.

The idea of runners on stance is if you are lower, you would typically have to go up a bit to go back down and block.

Eric, I am at a point where on most things I/Necc can just tell my dd things, give advice, and the "whys", but it is up to her how she does it.
 
May 21, 2013
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If you're in a primary stance, it would be impossible to block a pitch without your hips raising up first, which is what you're trying to prevent, because that increases time to a finished block position. The only way your hips would not raise up first is if you just fall forward, which would also not be executing the block correctly.
 
May 24, 2013
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I guess my thought is, if the catcher can remain in a low position, it reduces time needed to get down in a block situation.

As others have already commented, a low stance requires raising the hips up before the knees can go down to the ground. The "runners on" stance puts the hips in the raised position from the beginning, therefore reducing the movement and time required to execute a block.
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That said, there certainly are players in softball who block effectively from a low stance. A good athlete can make lots of things work, but sometimes there is a more effective/efficient way to get the job done.
 
Mar 26, 2013
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I took note of the catchers in an MLB game yesterday and their butt only moved up a few inches when there was a runner on base, nothing near as much as in Eric's picture.
 
May 24, 2013
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I took note of the catchers in an MLB game yesterday and their butt only moved up a few inches when there was a runner on base, nothing near as much as in Eric's picture.

You will find it varies some from catcher to catcher.

One of thing things I look at when helping a young catcher is the elevation of the head. In a "runners on" position, I want to see the catcher's head position be very close to where it was in their "no runners" stance.
 

redhotcoach

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For those of us who follow the techniques taught by NECC, the the "runners-on" stance is nothing new. However, we have seen comments on a fairly regular basis - and some very emphatically - that D1 catchers don't use a secondary stance for throwing situations. For the most part, this is correct. Most don't. Except...

Kirsten Mack of Mizzou.

I just finished watching Mizzou vs. So. Carolina, and Mack used a secondary stance (raised hips) in situations with runners on base or 2 strikes. Every time (at least during the time I was watching).

Has anyone else seen D1 catchers using a secondary/"runners-on" stance?

She reaches her throwing hand out on every pitch though like she is going to two hand catch it.
 
Oct 3, 2011
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After watching more than a few college games this season, I've found that it's kind of weird depending upon each catcher. By that, I mean there are very few that I've seen actually use a RO stance similar to what NECC teaches yet a majority of these catchers raise their hips when they slide to center the ball for receiving then drop them again for low pitches. Why not just keep the hips high and move the mitt? It seems to me to be common sense.
 

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