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May 30, 2013
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14U DD started working on a riseball back in December.
It's a challenging and frustrating process - throwing a ball forward, with an underhand motion, and spin the ball backwards.
not easy.

She has stayed with it, consistently, these past months, always making it part of our throwing sessions, even if just for 5-10min.
With a focus upon spin rather than location and/or velocity, she recently got to where she could spin it correctly on 90% of her throws.
In the process she, herself, learned to see and recognize the spin, and refused to settle for anything less than backspin, to the point of utter stubbornness.
(you sure see quite a lot of small-dot or large-dot bullet-spin "riseballs" out there these days...)

But because she still lacked the ability to locate it as well as other pitches, or throw it as hard;
she has been reluctant, or better yet, downright refused to throw it to a live batter in a game.

Then, we had a clinic with her PC this past Thursday, and something magical happened.

He hadn't seen her in several months as she's been busy with school (JV) ball and then travel ball immediately afterward.
I've communicated to him during this long interim that she has learned the proper spin with 90% success, but I don't think he entirely believed me.
When we started working the rise in this last session, after she threw a few, he just sort of gave me this "look"...
and then started asking DD why the hell not isn't she using this pitch in games.
After MUCH prodding and encouragement by PC, the session really gave DD the confidence boost that i think she needed to go for it, and next day in the tournament she told coach to call the pitch and she would "do her best".

Long story short, she experienced immediate success with it, and I watched with such pride, how as the weekend progressed, she grew more and more confident in the pitch, to the point where she would throw it on 3-ball counts, runners on 3b, etc. It all just seemed to click at once, after 6 months of trepidation and unsureness. Was really a magical moment, and even the location got better and better as she went. Watching a truly back-spinning ball float in for a strike at the knees is really something to behold. She threw the rise up in the zone also, but those "low rises" were the ones that impressed. Typically froze the batter into just taking the called strike.

Now to be clear, although she did get a few K's, a first year 14U throwing a 50mph riseball to good 16U teams in a major tournament, she did not rack up strikeouts with the pitch; BUT she "pitched to contact" with a Drop (55), Rise (50), and Change (45) combination; and the rise wasn't hit hard for a base hit once in about 10 innings of work across 3 games. LOTS of pop ups and fly ball outs.

Also, what also became apparent this week, is that a PC is (or can be, if you are lucky...) so much more than a "skills instructor".
He/She is also:
supporter
soothsayer
mentor
disciplinarian
fan
friend
 

JAD

Feb 20, 2012
8,231
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Georgia
When you said "Watching a truly back-spinning ball float in for a strike at the knees is really something to behold" were you referring to a riseball or a backspin change up? I was following along up until that statement. And congratulations to your DD for all of her hard work!
 
May 30, 2013
1,442
83
Binghamton, NY
When you said "Watching a truly back-spinning ball float in for a strike at the knees is really something to behold" I was following along up until that statement.

JAD - it is well documented that pitchers that posses a truly back-spinning riseball with throw it to 3 different elevations, or Levels.

Level 1 - being the lowest, is thrown just above the knees, or at thighs.
Level 2 - nips the top of the strike zone (variable height, because the top of the zone seems to vary quite a bit, depending upon the ump behind the plate)
Level 3 - above the top of the strike zone. a swing and miss bait.

Chelsea Wilkinson (Georgia '16) was probably the best I've seen at throwing a Level 1, for example.

When thrown in combination with a drop, a level 1 rise can be very effective.

were you referring to a riseball or a backspin change up?

I am not referring to a "flip Change", which will also often spin backwards.
I am talking about a bona fide riseball located low in the zone.

Batters will mistake it for another drop ball and anticipate that it will drop below the strike zone,
but the pitch just magically "floats" in for a called strike.
 

JAD

Feb 20, 2012
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38
Georgia
I watch a lot of college softball and not sure I have ever heard a level-1 riseball described as "floating"...but I have heard the term "hoppy" so often it is nauseating!
 
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May 30, 2013
1,442
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Binghamton, NY
I watch a lot of college softball and not sure I have ever heard a level-1 riseball as "floating"...now I have heard the term "hoppy" so often it is nauseating!

HA! yeah, "hoppy"... <sigh>. She makes my ears bleed....

Because a Level 1 doesn't have the benefit of upward trajectory,
all it can really do is "drop less" than a forward spinning drop ball.
To me, when I catch this pitch, it exhibits a certain "float" characteristic, in that its lack of falling tricks your perception a little.
Also, since DD's rise is ~5mph less, and that riseballs, in general, tend to decelerate more quickly than some other pitches,
this also contributes to my description of "float". I certainly don't mean "float" like a hung flip-change does - that is something different alltogether.

Maybe my choice of adjectives is not the best?

If you understand what a Level 1 rise is, and it sounds like you do,
can you offer what you think the characteristics of this pitch are?
I'd be interested in hearing your explanation of why it is effective.
 
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Feb 3, 2010
5,767
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Pac NW
When you said "Watching a truly back-spinning ball float in for a strike at the knees is really something to behold" were you referring to a riseball or a backspin change up? I was following along up until that statement. And congratulations to your DD for all of her hard work!

Walljasper's off-speed rise:

The commentator called this an off-speed curve...

I believe Balswick prefers a backspin rise that is slower than one's fastest pitch.
 
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Dec 27, 2014
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Walljasper's off-speed rise:

The commentator called this an off-speed curve...

I believe Balswick prefers a backspin rise that is slower than one's fastest pitch.

This actually looks just like my 11 year olds rise ball. I guess she can start to use this in tournament play...;)
 

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