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Jan 3, 2019
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FWIW - please, I am not an expert - it looks to me like she is stuck between styles. As if she initially learned HE and then switched to IR.

Her setup, drive and timing look quite good but because she releases the ball with her butt out and to the left (HE) that causes her arm, and the ball, to go right, acting as a counterbalance to the leftside weight shift. My DD did the exact same thing with the exact same result and it wasn't until she fully undid her monkey butt training that it corrected.

Don't agree that she's closing her shoulder too soon. Keeping her shoulder open longer will make her more of an HE pitcher.

Tyler could also use better frontside resistance. In fact it may be easier to start correcting that and work backward.
Look at how the other pitcher finishes in video #3. She's got great reverse posture / frontside resistance.

Good observation, she initially learned HE but now throws IR.

Any drills or cues you can share that you did with your daughter that helped?
 
Apr 28, 2014
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Are you talking about the forward swing of her arm? Should it be closer to the hip?

On the final few degrees prior to release there should be brush.
Watch this video clip at the :21 mark.




That brush is a cue for release point.
 
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Jun 29, 2014
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My daughter has this same issue. Her hand wasn't coming through the ball. Once she started getting her hand through the release she gained speed and straightened up. My daughter was peeling inside the ball at release. Think palm up at 9 and palm down at 4 or 5. Probably an exaggeration cue but she's peeling off the inside of the ball. She miss high at all?

Another issue I'm seeing that isn't related to missing to the right but related to velocity is her arm is locked out. She's missing whip by being locked out.
 
Jan 28, 2017
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IMO

1. swing back goes behind her (towards 1st)
2. When coming forward the ball is to far away from the hip
3. Ball goes over her head
This causes her to bang her arm instead of brush.
4. Leading with the pinky, which is great but fingers are staying under the ball and not getting behind it. Thumb pointed a little towards second. Kinda like a rise/screw ball.

Also

A. Need compression of upper arm
B. Brush of the forearm on the hip
C. Probate the lower arm
D. A little more bend in the arm

I would work on brush swinging back and coming forward and then again at release. When the ball comes over the top it should be about two ball width away from your forehead
 
May 15, 2008
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She definitely does not have enough flex in her arm through her motion. Locking the arm early, getting on top of the ball and closing the shoulder are part of a complex related to pushing or shoving the ball at release. This is leftover from her HE days. If you look at Ueno you can see how flexed the arm is in the downswing which allows the upper part of the arm to brush before the forearm releases. She needs to develop a different feel for her arm action, the loose whipping action. I would go back to slingshot (K position) and work on having the elbow lead the downswing with the arm staying flexed as long as possible into release.
 
Oct 4, 2018
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IMO

1. swing back goes behind her (towards 1st)
2. When coming forward the ball is to far away from the hip
3. Ball goes over her head
This causes her to bang her arm instead of brush.
4. Leading with the pinky, which is great but fingers are staying under the ball and not getting behind it. Thumb pointed a little towards second. Kinda like a rise/screw ball.


That's what I'm seeing too. Now I'm just a dad who goes to lessons and works with DD, but...

If the ball is consistently to one side, I'm looking first to see if the ball circle is mostly vertical. And it's not in some of those. Ball is over her head at 12 o'clock and obviously can't be vertical if that's the case.


In addition, her shoulders are quite closed at release. We try to be more open at release.

However, in terms of results only... I didn't see that many pitches going to the right. :)
 
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sluggers

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May 26, 2008
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Her brush needs to be consistent. Beyond that, you are approaching the problem wrong. She needs to work on her learning how to move the ball inside/outside/down/up.

She is throwing inside--which is a good pitch. Pitchers throw that pitch all the time. What she doesn't know how to do is throw the ball outside. She doesn't know how to throw the ball inside/outside/up/down on command.

How much does she practice? Is she putting in the time to master control?

The only person who can teach her is herself. She has to learn to control her release in terms of microseconds.
 
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