Parents of older pitchers, what do you know now that you wish you knew when it first started.

kibadbo said:

This is fantastic. Sorry if this is off topic but how do you go about specifically working on control? My daughter has been with a Tincher coach for 18 months. She throws very hard but can't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 paces.

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How much brush does she get?

I find that when you have good brush—control becomes pretty easy. After new girls demonstrate some consistent reps with good posture, whip and brush, I ask them to throw a few with their eyes closed. This is always an eye opening experience for both pitchers and parents!

Hillhouse said:

Wait a minute... 18 months and she can't hit the side of a barn? 18 months? And you're at the same coach? Wow, you are on patient individual!!!

I'm unclear how 18 months can go by without addressing that. Or am I missing something like usual?

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Why the heck are we limited to one “Like” per post?!?!

Atta boy! @Ken B !!! Nail on the head!!

@Hillhouse 110% agree! 18 months and no control.....Hmmmm.... something is not right.

Tincher pitching program seems to be great and I believe Denny knows what he is doing. His daughter was top notch.

But I can't confirm or deny that all the "teachers" that go thru the program know what they are doing. Again, I CANNOT confirm or deny this. I don't know anything about his program but can only imagine, like all things in life, there are some really good ones and some that maybe aren't quite there yet.

But if there is not any control I would have to question that after 18 months.

Pretty sure we can help you if you reach out to us! Door is always open and a PM is absolutely fine. Talking softball pitching with anyone is more than welcomed.

I have spent many hours with members here doing Facetime to show what sometimes posts can't explain. Please feel free to knock. Door is always open!

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Ken B said:

I find that when you have good brush—control becomes pretty easy. After new girls demonstrate some consistent reps with good posture, whip and brush, I ask them to throw a few with their eyes closed. This is always an eye opening experience for both pitchers and parents!

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I'm not arguing your point, all the pictures you posted, or any of your pitching knowledge but, IMO.......... someone doesn't have control after 18 months is missing a lot more than "brush interference" that gets talk about on here so much. I do realize he was exaggerating (or so I hope) about the control problems after such a long time but, if it's more true than exaggeration, I'd be questioning if she's pitching with the correct hand. Even then, 18 months seems like a long time to train myself left handed to do almost anything.

I've said before I don't know Mr Tincher or a lot about what he teaches. I know he had a daughter who was a good pitcher and was probably screwed out of being on the 2000 Olympic team (I think she belonged on there) but, this is one big reason why I have never done a certification program like others have done and suggested I do. I know it's a money maker and a lot of business would flow from it, but I can't see letting someone use my name to drum up business then have no official oversight on what or how they are teaching under my name on a day to day basis. I could totally see someone putting their own "spin" on things instead of doing what the "lead instructor" would be teaching. And I'd be constantly worrying that someone would say they've been seeing a "Hillhouse coach" for 18 months but can't hit the side of a barn... which would probably make me look very badly. I do not need help making myself look bad. If I was the father of this pitcher, I think I'd be reaching out to Mr Tincher personally and explain this problem. Maybe the coach needs a refresher course?

My point exactly @Hillhouse

Thank you @Ken B @STRIKE3 and @Hillhouse. Your comments feel like you've shaken me awake . I'm not exaggerating much about her lack of control. She's had a few good outings, but in today's lesson, she missed our 9x7 net five consecutive pitches.
Ive been patient for several reasons. She started somewhat late. She can allow her head to get the best of her. Also, I got the sense that IR was just hard to learn and even harder to find someone to teach it. I also wondered if it was because I screwed her up somehow.
If I could summarize her issues I'd say she doesn't understand how her arm should move through the bottom of the pitch. She isn't taught brush. I think Tincher calls it the slot. But it is different. Regardless, DD practices everyday, but usually ends up turning her elbow early and causing a pushing motion similar to EU but without the snap, and she's all over the yard.
Thanks again. You've given me a lot to think about.

kibadbo said:

Thank you @Ken B @STRIKE3 and @Hillhouse. Your comments feel like you've shaken me awake . I'm not exaggerating much about her lack of control. She's had a few good outings, but in today's lesson, she missed our 9x7 net five consecutive pitches.
Ive been patient for several reasons. iShe started somewhat late. She can allow her head to get the best of her. Also, I got the sense that IR was just hard to learn and even harder to find someone to teach it. I also wondered if it was because I screwed her up somehow.
If I could summarize her issues I'd say she doesn't understand how her arm should move through the bottom of the pitch. She isn't taught brush. I think Tincher calls it the slot. But it is different. Regardless, DD practices everyday, but usually ends up turning her elbow early and causing a pushing motion similar to EU but without the snap, and she's all over the yard.
Thanks again. You've given me a lot to think about.

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As Mr. Miyagi said in the Karate Kid: no such thing as bad student, only bad teacher. Now, I'm not calling your DD's teacher bad, even though that's how it sounds. What I am saying is, this is not your fault or your DD's. I truly cannot believe it's been 18mo and you're having these issues. I would stop coaching if I couldn't get her to throw into her net in 18 MINUTES, 18 mo's is an eternity. If you think about it, it's almost 1/10th of her entire pitching life. It's not that I"m special or better than anyone else. I'm not. But this is not rocket science. In fact, I would say the inverse is true: switching to a "Tincher coach" should've made pitching and pitching life so much easier. may I ask where you live? I don't throw coaching recommendations out lightly, in fact I rarely do it. I'm sure there are a lot of great coaches out there, but I just don't know a lot of them personally or what they teach. And in cases like this, a coach is supposed to be teaching THIS but apparently is teaching THAT. So, I'm cautious with my referrals. But, I'd like to give you an option if I can of someone or something different. If you PM me your address, I'll put some DVD's in the mail for you which should correct your issues in a NY minute. Or, at the very least, help you see the difference and what might be the issue(s). Of course, this is all predicated on the hope that you still have a DVD player. lol.

kibadbo said:

Thank you @Ken B @STRIKE3 and @Hillhouse. Your comments feel like you've shaken me awake . I'm not exaggerating much about her lack of control. She's had a few good outings, but in today's lesson, she missed our 9x7 net five consecutive pitches.
Ive been patient for several reasons. She started somewhat late. She can allow her head to get the best of her. Also, I got the sense that IR was just hard to learn and even harder to find someone to teach it. I also wondered if it was because I screwed her up somehow.
If I could summarize her issues I'd say she doesn't understand how her arm should move through the bottom of the pitch. She isn't taught brush. I think Tincher calls it the slot. But it is different. Regardless, DD practices everyday, but usually ends up turning her elbow early and causing a pushing motion similar to EU but without the snap, and she's all over the yard.
Thanks again. You've given me a lot to think about.

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Oy vey...
What does Tincher say about poopy control?

( maybe i missed that)

kibadbo said:

This is fantastic. Sorry if this is off topic but how do you go about specifically working on control? My daughter has been with a Tincher coach for 18 months. She throws very hard but can't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 paces.

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As others have said, 18 months sounds like a long time to be struggling with control. You didn’t say how old your daughter is, but I imagine that the longer she was pitching HE the harder it’s going to be to re-train her muscle memory.

DD started going to a Tincher instructor when she was 10, and it did take almost a year for her to establish control. But her circle time before that was limited — she had a good year in rec as a second-year 10U and decided that she wanted to be a pitcher.

She’s someone who has sacrificed speed for control, which the consensus on here seems to be against. Hopefully I won’t be contributing to a future thread such as this saying what a big mistake that was.


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