Complete waste of time. Both claiming some kind of victory when both were trying to prove different things. So, I guess they both got out of it what they wanted.
It seems so. Both are doing victory laps on Twitter.
Complete waste of time. Both claiming some kind of victory when both were trying to prove different things. So, I guess they both got out of it what they wanted.
But TM acts like hes god.. so I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe it applies to him. If you don't follow "HIS" pattern then you are hamstringing your career.
Frye obviously doesn't have a clue about mechanics.. so the whole interview was pointless. Two things I got from that interview, Frye should just be quite about mechanics. TM solidified my thoughts on him being a complete immature jerk.
Just because Frye doesn't have a clue about mechanics doesn't make what TM teaches anymore valid.
TM makes a lot of claims. I actually have quotes from him way way back and under numerous names like JoeBad, Rshard, Chameleon, Linear, ... The truth is, back in the day, he switched camps so often that your head would spin. Also, he took so many different positions on the swing. He was a member of "The Posse" back in the day and support Englishbey and Nyman. He jumped ship when Englishbey told him he was wrong about certain aspects of the swing. He did a 180 and believed in totally different things overnight.The HLP is not TM's pattern in the sense that he invented something new. His claim is that he identified the pattern that is common with all the great hitters, and it's not what has been taught, even at the MLB level. He believes that learning this pattern will help hitters reach their maximum potential.
IMO, part of the issue was touched on during the segment. The game has changed. Frye's goal was to hit the ball on the ground, and that's something he did well with his out-front, push swing, Justin Turner has described a successful game as 4 hard-hit fly balls.
TM makes a lot of claims. I actually have quotes from him way way back and under numerous names like JoeBad, Rshard, Chameleon, Linear, ... The truth is, back in the day, he switched camps so often that your head would spin. Also, he took so many different positions on the swing. He was a member of "The Posse" back in the day and support Englishbey and Nyman. He jumped ship when Englishbey told him he was wrong about certain aspects of the swing. He did a 180 and believed in totally different things overnight.
IMO, what TM believes has been a composite of what a lot of guys threw around back in the day. I'd mention that he did not do "it" alone and had two main contributors to his belief system. SB and Donny Buster were two guys that I think added a lot of good content to those discussions back in the day. Donny and I were great friends and I miss him a lot. I would also state that TM has reverted back to a lot of Englishbey's stuff. Things like the neck swings stuff is pure Englishbey. A few of us have been around a long time and have much of this stuff and TM's changes copied. I have a PM from him welcoming me to Englishbey's website and stating that Englishbey was where it was at with regards to the swing. So, there is that!
I agree and none of us figure it out on our own. If fact, if we stop learning then we are doing our players a disservice. We should all be trying to weigh the various arguments against each other. From there, whatever you decide to coach has to make sense to you, make sense to the player/hitter and then you have to be able to find drills that make sense for what you believe. Every day is a new challenge.Do any of us figure it out all at once? I know my journey in the study of hitting has deviated paths numerous times as the pieces have come together in my own head, and my understanding of what is happening has improved. I still continue to learn, and challenge my own beliefs.
That said, I'm not trying to be a TM apologist. The guy is a venomous @$$hole. My comment was about what he claims. It wasn't whether he is right or wrong about those claims.
Except nothing that he's "identified", and in his opinion that's "not what has been taught, even at the MLB level"...is all in Ted's "Science of Hitting" if you simply understand that changing the words doesn't mean the concepts are somehow different.The HLP is not TM's pattern in the sense that he invented something new. His claim is that he identified the pattern that is common with all the great hitters, and it's not what has been taught, even at the MLB level. He believes that learning this pattern will help hitters reach their maximum potential.
....some 50+ years before it even happened.(Pg. 40) - Well,CobbFrye was more of a push hitter, a slap hitter. He had great ability to push the ball, to lash hits all around. He was a great athlete, maybe the greatest, but he was a completely different animal frommeTM, and his words were like Greek [to him].
(Pg. 42) - The arc of my swing was much greater thanCobb’sJeff's. What he said would apply to guys more his type, guys who choked up on the bat more and pushed the ball around. That wasn’t in me. I was down, with a longer stroke, a greater arc [with bat speed behind my head].
(Pg. 47) - As I said, you have always heard that the ideal swing is level or “down.” Your swing often coincides with your physical capabilities. Certainly aNellie FoxJeff Frye had more of a level swing than aMickey MantleAaron Judge, becauseNellieJeff didn’t knock down fences.FoxFrye was a great little punch hitter who concentrated on getting a piece of the ball, on being quick with the bat, on directing balls sharply through the holes instead of up in the air. He had his sights high—to get on top of the ball. A fly ball from a light hitter is usually an out. When the ball is on the ground it puts a greater burden on the fielders. Things can happen.
Yep, just different types of hitters who see the game from different lens because of it.IMO, part of the issue was touched on during the segment. The game has changed. Frye's goal was to hit the ball on the ground, and that's something he did well with his out-front, push swing. Justin Turner has described a successful game as 4 hard-hit fly balls, regardless of the result.
But TM acts like hes god.. so I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe it applies to him. If you don't follow "HIS" pattern then you are hamstringing your career.
Frye obviously doesn't have a clue about mechanics.. so the whole interview was pointless. Two things I got from that interview, Frye should just be quiet about mechanics. TM solidified my thoughts on him being a complete immature jerk.
Just because Frye doesn't have a clue about mechanics doesn't make what TM teaches anymore valid.
[From Ted Williams]
(Pg. 47) - ...FoxFrye was a great little punch hitter who concentrated on getting a piece of the ball, on being quick with the bat, on directing balls sharply through the holes instead of up in the air...