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Apr 20, 2018
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Yeah. Everyone is an idiot but Bonehead. Usually the last one to know in most cases.

the obliques are for speed. They rotate the pelvis down and up bc of the resistance from the back leg pulling the hip and obliques the opposite direction against the ‘turn’ of the swing.

you just got here... but if you have half a brain. Then you’d realize that there has been cooked up theories about how to get the bat across the body without pushing. TTB is the cancer that has infested this site for the last 10-15 years bc of that. Other lame theories as well. The latest being your hip extension nonsense. So forgive us if we harp on the FACTS. And don’t tread lightly.

Why don’t you put up some proof that hip extension matters and how you teach it. Do you teach anyone? Have you ever taught anyone?! Got any video of you teaching anyone? Nope. Cause it’s passive. It just happens in a baseball swing if everything else is right. LOL.

the hips matter. But when it comes to speed. They are in last place.

You bash titleist and driveline etc? You didn’t even know what the obliques were 2 months ago. Seriously? Dude stop. Take the L clown.

Edit: Bold.. that’s where the recoil comes from as well.
I think you can teach or at least let student be aware of extension. It is mostly byproduct of a good swing. More of a release. There is power gained in the correct release. In golf if you extend too early you will stand up, move forward, lose rotational speed and push the ball to the right. If the student is told to stay in their posture and the overcook that cue they will not release the hips and pull the ball left. In softball if you extend too early you will stand up, move forward, lose rotational speed too (See Shawn in swing experiment)
Another thing about hip extension. Sometimes the hips extend prior to contact and sometimes after contact and sometimes right at contact (probably most optimal). HRs happen in all three situations. If hip extension was a critical source of power in the swing it would have to be more consistent and would be widely taught as such. IMO
 
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I think you can teach or at least let student be aware of extension. It is mostly byproduct of a good swing. More of a release. There is power gained in the correct release. In golf if you extend too early you will stand up, move forward, lose rotational speed and push the ball to the right. If the student is told to stay in their posture and the overcook that cue they will not release the hips and pull the ball left. In softball if you extend too early you will stand up, move forward, lose rotational speed too (See Shawn in swing experiment)
Another thing about hip extension. Sometimes the hips extend prior to contact and sometimes after contact and sometimes right at contact (probably most optimal). HRs happen in all three situations. If hip extension was a critical source of power in the swing it would have to be more consistent and would be widely taught as such. IMO

You mention golf and the swing. Did you know Phil Mickelson picked up like 10 mph ballspeed over the last year or so. At age 49. He went from 170 ballspeed to 180ish with the big dog. He talks about what he tries to do to gain speed in this video. Sounds like he is teaching himself to get better hip extension. He's been a pro for 28 years. Just/still figuring it out. Interesting.

 
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You mention golf and the swing. Did you know Phil Mickelson picked up like 10 mph ballspeed over the last year or so. At age 49. He went from 170 ballspeed to 180ish with the big dog. He talks about what he tries to do to gain speed in this video. Sounds like he is teaching himself to get better hip extension. He's been a pro for 28 years. Just/still figuring it out. Interesting.


I said extension can be taught/thought about/ be aware of. It can be way over done too usually resulting in early extension and a standing up. The front foot coming off the ground (kinda new in golf as extension is being explored) is a hard pumping of the brakes and the dragster still coasting to a stop. When the front foot doesn't leave the ground the dragster was not moving as fast and/or the brakes were applied less violently.
Also 170 mph to 180 mph is significant but not the main source of power. Hip extension can be an assistant in bat speed and power to some degree.
 
Feb 25, 2020
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I said extension can be taught/thought about/ be aware of. It can be way over done too usually resulting in early extension and a standing up. The front foot coming off the ground (kinda new in golf as extension is being explored) is a hard pumping of the brakes and the dragster still coasting to a stop. When the front foot doesn't leave the ground the dragster was not moving as fast and/or the brakes were applied less violently.
Also 170 mph to 180 mph is significant but not the main source of power. Hip extension can be an assistant in bat speed and power to some degree.

So hip extension is the brakes? What are we arguing about!

And I would argue that peak power is the main power source. Look at the long drive guy from his knees. 340 gets some ooo's and ahhhh's at the range and some invites for scrambles. 440 makes him elite.
 
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I think you can teach or at least let student be aware of extension. It is mostly byproduct of a good swing. More of a release. There is power gained in the correct release. In golf if you extend too early you will stand up, move forward, lose rotational speed and push the ball to the right. If the student is told to stay in their posture and the overcook that cue they will not release the hips and pull the ball left. In softball if you extend too early you will stand up, move forward, lose rotational speed too (See Shawn in swing experiment)
Another thing about hip extension. Sometimes the hips extend prior to contact and sometimes after contact and sometimes right at contact (probably most optimal). HRs happen in all three situations. If hip extension was a critical source of power in the swing it would have to be more consistent and would be widely taught as such. IMO
Yes, yes, yes.. my DD did it for years. Way to much. You loose posture when extending too early or even by focusing on thrusting the hips/pelvis(excuse me I'm not a kinesiology expert like some on here). It forces you out of your swing and causes you to push.
 
Oct 13, 2014
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The hips slow because the torso is accelerating. Like running and then someone jumps on your back. If you stop, they don't accelerate.
Do you know what translational movement is? I could link Wikipedia if you like.

No Bobby. The hips slow/stop bc the back leg stops them which causes hip extension (at the right time) against the obliques contracting. I already told your buddy how. Other wise the hips would just spin and the trunk would spin as well. No car crash. I gotta give you guys all the answers bc you have no clue on how to produce it. I see what you’re doing. 😆

I told you indirectly. Through sequence and acceleration and deceleration of the different body parts. What matters is ‘what’ at foot down and ‘ how’ to the ball.
 
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No Bobby. The hips slow/stop bc the back leg stops them which causes hip extension (at the right time) against the obliques contracting. I already told your buddy how. Other wise the hips would just spin and the trunk would spin as well. No car crash. I gotta give you guys all the answers bc you have no clue on how to produce it. I see what you’re doing. 😆

I told you indirectly. Through sequence and acceleration and deceleration of the different body parts. What matters is ‘what’ at foot down and ‘ how’ to the ball.
How? The back leg is off of the ground.
Now you're abandoning the car crash?
Obliques contracting and moving what in relation to what else? and from where to where?
 
Oct 13, 2014
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How? The back leg is off of the ground.
Now you're abandoning the car crash?
Obliques contracting and moving what in relation to what else? and from where to where?

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during the load the back leg ERs. Bryce doesn’t let go of that ER. That and spacing is what stops the hips. It gets the hips to their EROM (slack out). During this time the obliques are stretching the opposite way.

Not abandoning the car crash. Legs stop the hips, hips stop the core, core stops arm then hands then bat.

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oblique contraction gets the hands/bat across the body. The middle and bat should be synced.

the back leg working back behind a hitter is directly related to holding the anchor. It doesn’t need to be anchored into the ground. But it needs to have no IR and maintain space until the ball is gone. That’s anchored to me.

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As I evolve in my understanding. It’s about taking the slack out at opposite ends during the load and launch. Like an ‘X’. Which makes the body move from the middle more and more.
 
Apr 20, 2018
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I think one camp would like this device and another camp would not. I like it. It make the hitter whip not just spin. A early batspeed camp (website) is promoting this product but it would be hard to use with their style. Maybe they are evolving?
 

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