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Aug 21, 2008
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Thank's for the webster's dictionary version. The general laymen understanding is someone who is condescending while trying to pass off insulting comments as funny or just jokes. Such as your post to the OP of this thread when he wasn't getting your drill down to your high standards. You berated that guy who was just trying to help his kid!! I am FAR from the bleeding heart, sensitive type who gets offended but even I thought that your response to getting your drill wrong was over the top. I'm sure you'll have snide comments about this, and in any future posts about not wanting to "hurt others feelings" but lest you think it was mine you hurt. And I'm not wanting to speak for the OP or his feelings being hurt, although his reply was thinking he should stop trying to help his kid altogether.

Yes, you have spent a lot of time and dedication to supplying your information on this board to people for free. Nobody is questioning that. And you've given a name to softball pitching that has transcended this board and onto others. Although I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything. In fact, I'm not even sure what this whole back and forth is about anymore. Am I supposed to list the charitable things I've done too?

I'm sure the "all your eggs in one basket" comment was a compliment from deep down, as soon as I figure out what you meant I'll send a thank you. But I was clever enough to understand the Happy Easter sentiment, and I wish the same to you!
 

BigSkyHi

All I know is I don't know
Jan 13, 2020
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Thank's for the webster's dictionary version. The general laymen understanding is someone who is condescending while trying to pass off insulting comments as funny or just jokes. Such as your post to the OP of this thread when he wasn't getting your drill down to your high standards. You berated that guy who was just trying to help his kid!! I am FAR from the bleeding heart, sensitive type who gets offended but even I thought that your response to getting your drill wrong was over the top. I'm sure you'll have snide comments about this, and in any future posts about not wanting to "hurt others feelings" but lest you think it was mine you hurt. And I'm not wanting to speak for the OP or his feelings being hurt, although his reply was thinking he should stop trying to help his kid altogether.

Yes, you have spent a lot of time and dedication to supplying your information on this board to people for free. Nobody is questioning that. And you've given a name to softball pitching that has transcended this board and onto others. Although I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything. In fact, I'm not even sure what this whole back and forth is about anymore. Am I supposed to list the charitable things I've done too?

I'm sure the "all your eggs in one basket" comment was a compliment from deep down, as soon as I figure out what you meant I'll send a thank you. But I was clever enough to understand the Happy Easter sentiment, and I wish the same to you!
Wish you two would bicker on PM. I'm trying too learn something here. Thanks.

Happy Easter to both of you and your families.
 
Feb 25, 2020
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The point has been missed here by the two sages.

The drill is most valuable for the parent/coach. We have no idea what we're doing starting out. The drill progression is more for the parent than the kid. We have the misconceptions. The 8-9 year olds probly have no conceptions.

Not everyone has 30 years of coaching/playing experience. Or gets to send their 8 year old for pitching lessons with a top level coach. The drill progression can be useful.

That being said. The OP should have taught themselves before trying to teach the real student.

But he didnt so lets(you guys really) help him. The DD seems to look ok for havin a coach that doesnt know anything.(no offense and your not alone there NJ!)
 
May 9, 2019
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My DD never really got that great at this drill, but still somehow managed to be a decent pitcher so far. Take that for what it's worth.

If you want to continue to be your DD's instructor, I would definitely listen to those who have told you to learn how to do the drill yourself first. Use a mirror and try to mimic the motion by using the slow motion feature on the videos. Then, try to teach it to your DD, and definitely as others have mentioned, stand next to her during the drill, even holding her hand and arm to ensure that she's doing it properly.

Good luck to you and your DD. It's tough in the beginning, but it will get better if you stay persistent and listen to the right people here on the board.
 
Jul 14, 2008
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Bonesaw, I’ve offered several points about what needs to happen and how to get there, to insure the drill is effective. Mainly focused on relaxation and getting the ball up and behind her at 9:00 including standing next to her and moving her arm to the proper position until she gets it. The last thing I said was to turn the ball backward before moving up the back.

Bill jumped in and offered a shoulder to cry on (because he’s such a sweetie pie) and because I was too blunt in my insistence that this be right. Then he offed his advise that although he feels that drills to teach the pitching motion are completely useless, if your going to do any drill that he feels is completely useless, you should at least understand it. Something he admits he doesn’t care about because of it’s uselessness, so don’t ask him for advise. REALLY? And as usual, he buries his distain In subtlety and niceness. Some people may miss it, but I can smell it a mile away.

I called him out on it and he knows it, so he labeled me passive-aggressive to shut down the obvious. I posted the definition for him so he could see that reason he called me that is because it sounds familiar to him, but not for the reason he thinks. I’m very direct, which is not passive-aggressive. He hides his distain in niceties, which is actually passive-aggressive. But he missed that point also.

And he’s right, I do love him down deep, which is why I try to show him the error of his ways. I’ve done everything but directly say: “why are you even posting in a thread about “drills” except to tell everyone for the umpteenth time how useless they are”.

I’ll step out now so Bill can continue to woo people with niceties and offer his non-advise advise on how to do my drill correctly.

I forgot how much fun this is!

Hugs Mr. Bill!
 
Oct 2, 2018
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Thank you for the drill and making it free and accessible!

Start at Release. First move while arm is in contact with your body is to TURN YOUR HAND AWAY, thumb pointing completely away if you are flexible. Second move lift forearm off your body, while elbow is still touching or close to touching your obliques, rotating palm to sky. Third, relaxed arm gravity fall to release and hand naturally turns over after release.
 
Jul 14, 2008
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Very good, very good W. To be clear (and it sounds like you get it), this small and very limited drill is ONLY used to get a feel of what the forearm and wrist only should be doing to throw the ball forward underhand.

Not hard. Not Fast. Not even a pitch. Just a simple front toss drill using I/R to "toss it forward". It is NOT a pitch, or 1/2 a pitch, or even 1/4 of a pitch. It is a simple toss drill. But getting the details right can make the difference between a good drill and a bad one.

Thank you for the drill and making it free and accessible!

Start at Release. First move while arm is in contact with your body is to TURN YOUR HAND AWAY, thumb pointing completely away if you are flexible. Second move lift forearm off your body, while elbow is still touching or close to touching your obliques, rotating palm to sky. Third, relaxed arm gravity fall to release and hand naturally turns over after release.
 

fanboi22

on the journey
Nov 9, 2015
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Very good, very good W. To be clear (and it sounds like you get it), this small and very limited drill is ONLY used to get a feel of what the forearm and wrist only should be doing to throw the ball forward underhand.

Not hard. Not Fast. Not even a pitch. Just a simple front toss drill using I/R to "toss it forward". It is NOT a pitch, or 1/2 a pitch, or even 1/4 of a pitch. It is a simple toss drill. But getting the details right can make the difference between a good drill and a bad one.
BM, would you suggest the student take a bat in hand first to get a 'feel' of the motion? I think you had a gif of you doing that in the past, and i have used it with success with my DD. Thanks.
 

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