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Oct 13, 2014
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Yup..like I said (or implied) it being closed isn't a bad thing in terms of hitting. Just wasn't sure about the injury aspect. I've said this before, but I made a big stride between my Fr and So years in college when I focused on landing closed.

I like her swing, I've said it before. A little more early bat speed would be nice but we cannot have everything...j/k ;)

why do you think staying closed improved your hitting skills?
 
Oct 13, 2014
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Yup..like I said (or implied) it being closed isn't a bad thing in terms of hitting. Just wasn't sure about the injury aspect. I've said this before, but I made a big stride between my Fr and So years in college when I focused on landing closed.

I like her swing, I've said it before. A little more early bat speed would be nice but we cannot have everything...j/k ;)

Not not-picking. Just want to know why you think MORE bat speed would be better? I don’t think that is the goal honestly, it’s about acceleration within a small window, not about how fast if that makes sense. Especially for adjustability reasons...
 
Jun 8, 2016
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why do you think staying closed improved your hitting skills?
I honestly cannot remember what was said to me at the time, but based upon what I know now I was probably bleeding my stretch by trying to rotate too early/too hard.
 
Jun 8, 2016
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Not not-picking. Just want to know why you think MORE bat speed would be better? I don’t think that is the goal honestly, it’s about acceleration within a small window, not about how fast if that makes sense. Especially for adjustability reasons...
You said a few pages back that time to contact was the most important metric to you. To me early bat speed will improve that since I don't see why
a) early bat speed means you cannot have good bat speed at contact (time to contact is effected by the whole velocity profile over the complete bat path...eg. that whole integral thing I talked about ;)) and
b) early bat speed will hinder any of the small (imo) adjustments which are made after launch.
 
Jul 29, 2013
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Bobby,

When a player stays closed the way my kid does, she is using the rotation of her body to power her swing. It’s the way she generates force in a small window. Rotational velocity through rotational acceleration and deceleration.

I know you and a few others think you open up to rotate faster. But it’s actually the opposite. I will not get into it right now, but it will eventually be common knowledge and you can learn it.

Side note: she was hitting a change up, so there was a big adjustment there. But I know you just want to nit-pick anything you can for obvious reasons. Look at the videos of my kid I posted. The front foot opens. But anyway...

Go look at some HOFers. You will see the same thing. Some will roll over the ankle and stay closed. Some will open up the front foot at backside release like my kid. Some will stride open and the back leg will not rotate as much. They are channeling the force in ‘their’ proper direction(s). The ones they ‘use’.

It has something to do with the force vectors players use to generate speed. Every player is a bit different. That’s why hitting is tough to understand and teach. In a perfect scenario, you could teach vertical, horizontal and torque force to every player. But they all don’t move the same so you have to find out what their body wants to do and help them enhance that. Your ‘cookie cutter’ analysis will help some and hurt others. You need to understand what you are dealing with.

But so far you say ‘hold onto the bat and rotate’ ‘drop and drag’ the bat to contact. Either you haven’t seen good pitching or haven’t encountered good competition. Or maybe your descriptions just lack. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe post a video of some drills you like or a student you’re proud of. I’m not demanding or calling you out. I’m just tired of wasting time countering some of the weak points you keep making.
My kid. Work in progress. I dont like posting other peoples kids for privacy reasons.
Stretch n fire drill on 70mph pitch. Promotes getting on plane deep.
Have at it.

 
Nov 16, 2017
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You said a few pages back that time to contact was the most important metric to you. To me early bat speed will improve that since I don't see why
a) early bat speed means you cannot have good bat speed at contact (time to contact is effected by the whole velocity profile over the complete bat path...eg. that whole integral thing I talked about ;)) and
b) early bat speed will hinder any of the small (imo) adjustments which are made after launch.

Path is more important than timing. In a 1A 1B sort of way. Not sure there is a metric for how long the barrel is in the pitch path. A good path can allow for timing to be off slightly. Bad path means both timing and path have to be perfect. I have watched a ton of girls be successful in fastpitch by just being good at getting the bat in front of the ball. They never really swung hard just smooth and ended up with easy solid base hits.

Early bat speed if done correctly should only increase speed at contact. I guess if you get disconnected and your mechanics go to crap it could hurt speed at contact. The bat should be accelerating rapidly all the way to extension.

Small adjustments after launch? Is this even a measurable real thing except for oh crap to try to foul one off. You really don't get this on a fast ball. When I see barrels I see a player who has read the pitch early, has "guessed" correctly, and commits to a path early.
 
Jun 8, 2016
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Path is more important than timing. In a 1A 1B sort of way. Not sure there is a metric for how long the barrel is in the pitch path. A good path can allow for timing to be off slightly. Bad path means both timing and path have to be perfect. I have watched a ton of girls be successful in fastpitch by just being good at getting the bat in front of the ball. They never really swung hard just smooth and ended up with easy solid base hits.

Early bat speed if done correctly should only increase speed at contact. I guess if you get disconnected and your mechanics go to crap it could hurt speed at contact. The bat should be accelerating rapidly all the way to extension.

Small adjustments after launch? Is this even a measurable real thing except for oh crap to try to foul one off. You really don't get this on a fast ball. When I see barrels I see a player who has read the pitch early, has "guessed" correctly, and commits to a path early.
I was assuming was when @Work=wins said time to contact, he meant from the amount of time from when you decide to swing (or maybe launch) to contact. The shorter this, the longer you have to read the pitch, the better off you are. Assuming equal bat speed at contact, a barrel path which has better speed early on will have a lower time to contact (using the above definition). That is simple math. This has been discussed on here for the last 2+ years and my math doesn't seem to ever convince anybody.. :LOL:
 
Oct 13, 2014
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My kid. Work in progress. I dont like posting other peoples kids for privacy reasons.
Stretch n fire drill on 70mph pitch. Promotes getting on plane deep.
Have at it.



My kid. Work in progress. I dont like posting other peoples kids for privacy reasons.
Stretch n fire drill on 70mph pitch. Promotes getting on plane deep.
Have at it.



Can’t and won’t critique a drill swing from a fellow member. Can’t see the intent or real force producers in the swing. Just need more content to make an adequate analysis. Thanks though.
 

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