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May 12, 2016
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I agree with this. Sure, most kids "tilt", but few do it properly. It's one of the things we looked for when playing other teams. Our catcher got pretty good at noticing it, and then calling low and inside pitches to exploit it.
FP26, If you have some time. Can you please explain more about this? Basically the correct vs the incorrect way to tilt
 
Nov 16, 2017
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Do you have examples of professionals swinging with the lead arm pronation that was demonstrated?

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The follow up description of this lead arm pronation being critical to staying through the ball is not correct. Instead the top hand passes beyond the bottom hand.

This is right the bat (if it were extended) should go under the lead arm.

I believe this rebuttal is complete.

 
Jul 16, 2013
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FP26, If you have some time. Can you please explain more about this? Basically the correct vs the incorrect way to tilt

When watching professional hitters, I typically see something like the gif below. The angle of their shoulders (amount of tilt) is nearly parallel with the barrel of the bat. There are fluctuations from this. But in general, this tends to be the case. However, with some amateur hitters I will see a degree of tilt that will be nearly identical regardless of pitch location. They tilt the same way on every pitch, instead of tilting based on the location of the pitch. I tend to see this mostly with hitters that are too rotational. Too much swinging "around their body". IMO, if a hitter tries to forcefully rotate their hips, this is what happens. Is there rotation? Sure. But it's a result, not a cause.

NXE3bZs.gif
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Chehalis, Wa
Please post or link to a video of a kid not tilting. Every kid with bat drag tilts. They have to. Almost every youth hitter has bat drag. So they don't need to learn to tilt.

Part of learning to fix bat drag is to bring your back elbow down, not forward.

So just saying the word 'tilt' may make the problem worse. Taking the back elbow down to the belt would go part way to fixing bat drag.

BatDrag_002.jpg

Shoulders look level, he isn't tilting very well.
 
Jan 6, 2009
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When watching professional hitters, I typically see something like the gif below. The angle of their shoulders (amount of tilt) is nearly parallel with the barrel of the bat. There are fluctuations from this. But in general, this tends to be the case. However, with some amateur hitters I will see a degree of tilt that will be nearly identical regardless of pitch location. They tilt the same way on every pitch, instead of tilting based on the location of the pitch. I tend to see this mostly with hitters that are too rotational. Too much swinging "around their body". IMO, if a hitter tries to forcefully rotate their hips, this is what happens. Is there rotation? Sure. But it's a result, not a cause.

NXE3bZs.gif

Thanks FP26. Your saying the same thing TM did in the video, hitters trying to be rotational instead of tilting.
 
Jul 16, 2013
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Thanks FP26. Your saying the same thing TM did in the video, hitters trying to be rotational instead of tilting.

There is some value in watching TMs video. Some people try to take things too literally and have trouble relating to it as a result. That said, the concept of being "too rotational" has been around a longgggg time...
 
May 12, 2016
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When watching professional hitters, I typically see something like the gif below. The angle of their shoulders (amount of tilt) is nearly parallel with the barrel of the bat. There are fluctuations from this. But in general, this tends to be the case. However, with some amateur hitters I will see a degree of tilt that will be nearly identical regardless of pitch location. They tilt the same way on every pitch, instead of tilting based on the location of the pitch. I tend to see this mostly with hitters that are too rotational. Too much swinging "around their body". IMO, if a hitter tries to forcefully rotate their hips, this is what happens. Is there rotation? Sure. But it's a result, not a cause.

NXE3bZs.gif
Thank you! I believe this is my dd problem, tilt same way on every pitch. I asked her to do high tee drill last night.... right at her shoulders. She was under the ball every swing, she made contact, but barrel path started under the ball and up through. I was wondering if she could figure it out herself, she couldn’t. I tried to explain, keeping hands above the ball, but made no difference. She was tilting every time which resulted in barrel/hands starting below the ball.
 

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