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Aug 21, 2011
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Move to ISF rules for pitchers. Let them hop, skip, and jump and it’ll stop the whining.

Speaking of illegal pitches, why does nobody ever complain about Taylor McQuillin, who is illegal every pitch? Her right foot is outside of the 24” area of the pitcher’s plate before the pitch. A violation of 10.2.1.1:
Both feet must be on the ground in contact with the pitcher’s plate. Any part of each foot in contact with the ground or pitcher’s plate must be completely within the 24-inch length of the pitcher’s plate.
EFFECT—(10.2.1 and 10.2.2)—Delayed dead ball is signaled and illegal
pitch enforced. (See Rule 10.8.)

Illegal is illegal, right?
 
May 29, 2015
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This is how ncaa sports work. Watch a college football game, certain conferences officials are much more stringent to the rule book than the officials in other conferences. What's a hold or a block in the back at a Pac 12 game is just a good play in the sec.

Maybe it's time to get the NCAA to start hiring and training all of the officials in every sport so nationwide we can get the games played by the same rules instead of allowing the conferences to hire the officials and then dictating how each conference wants the gameplay to be.
It would certainly level the playground which is all real fans of any sport would want.

There is so much truth to this.

Illegal pitches have become a point of emphasis with most sanctioning bodies when officials do their annual clinics/trainings/registrations/etc. Several organizations have recently reduced the penalty because they thought officials were erring on the side of not calling the pitch to avoid moving baserunners.

One of the major problems is actually the variances in pitching rules from all of the sanctioning bodies. Very few umpires only work for one organization; I would venture to say most call games in at least 3-4 organizations. I will also say that most do not study the differences.

NCAA training and developing their own umpires (instead of relying on USA Softball for training and then leaving hiring up to independent assignors) would go a long way to improving umpiring quality. It would also go against everything NCAA stands for ($$$$$).
 
Apr 28, 2019
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This is how ncaa sports work. Watch a college football game, certain conferences officials are much more stringent to the rule book than the officials in other conferences. What's a hold or a block in the back at a Pac 12 game is just a good play in the sec.

Maybe it's time to get the NCAA to start hiring and training all of the officials in every sport so nationwide we can get the games played by the same rules instead of allowing the conferences to hire the officials and then dictating how each conference wants the gameplay to be.
It would certainly level the playground which is all real fans of any sport would want.
I think having 4 umps is kind of driving the increase in calling more illegal pitches & slappers being out of the batters box. You now have one or two extra sets of eyes per game. May be overkill but as long as they get the calls right I’m good with it.
 
Apr 28, 2019
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Move to ISF rules for pitchers. Let them hop, skip, and jump and it’ll stop the whining.

Speaking of illegal pitches, why does nobody ever complain about Taylor McQuillin, who is illegal every pitch? Her right foot is outside of the 24” area of the pitcher’s plate before the pitch. A violation of 10.2.1.1:
Both feet must be on the ground in contact with the pitcher’s plate. Any part of each foot in contact with the ground or pitcher’s plate must be completely within the 24-inch length of the pitcher’s plate.
EFFECT—(10.2.1 and 10.2.2)—Delayed dead ball is signaled and illegal
pitch enforced. (See Rule 10.8.)

Illegal is illegal, right?
Correct. I haven’t seen her pitch. Who does she play for?
 

softgabby

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Mar 10, 2016
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I'm confused as to what is legal vs. what is illegal in having a pitcher with a leap-style release. I thought the only legal style was a drag release. If a leap-style release is legal, what constitutes legal vs. illegal? I'm wondering for in case I'd ever see it because I have never seen it in either high school or travel ball.
 

softgabby

Gear Empress
Mar 10, 2016
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Just behind home plate
This is how ncaa sports work. Watch a college football game, certain conferences officials are much more stringent to the rule book than the officials in other conferences. What's a hold or a block in the back at a Pac 12 game is just a good play in the sec.

Maybe it's time to get the NCAA to start hiring and training all of the officials in every sport so nationwide we can get the games played by the same rules instead of allowing the conferences to hire the officials and then dictating how each conference wants the gameplay to be.
It would certainly level the playground which is all real fans of any sport would want.

I've seen enough college football games to know what you're talking about. I live in B10 country (Penn State fan) and we see more calls for a block in the back and holding in our conference vs. say the SEC or ACC. It would be nice to have more consistency across the board on how stuff's supposed to be called by the rules of the sport vs. what the conference's governing body wants to be called.
 
Apr 28, 2019
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I'm confused as to what is legal vs. what is illegal in having a pitcher with a leap-style release. I thought the only legal style was a drag release. If a leap-style release is legal, what constitutes legal vs. illegal? I'm wondering for in case I'd ever see it because I have never seen it in either high school or travel ball.
You can leap but you need to have one foot in contact with the ground. Many pitchers are leaping and not staying in contact with the ground.
They call it a drag foot/toe for a reason because it is supposed to be dragged and stay in contact with the ground through delivery.
Your not allowed to drag, leap, drag again, or leap then drag. It’s drag all through release motion.
 
Apr 5, 2013
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Back on the dirt...
I saw a thread on FB about being it being legal to drag and still push again, which is what Barnhopper does a lot! Any truth to that? I’ve never heard that before but supposedly it’s legal in certain alphabets.
 

panthadad2

fastpitch pops
Jun 27, 2017
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I saw a thread on FB about being it being legal to drag and still push again, which is what Barnhopper does a lot! Any truth to that? I’ve never heard that before but supposedly it’s legal in certain alphabets.
You are describing "replanting" (double push off) with the trail leg which is illegal in NCAA, HS, and about every American orginazation not international. Replanting is the illegal action that can give the pitcher a huge advantage but can be difficult to catch in real time.

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Apr 28, 2019
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I saw a thread on FB about being it being legal to drag and still push again, which is what Barnhopper does a lot! Any truth to that? I’ve never heard that before but supposedly it’s legal in certain alphabets.
As far as I know your not allowed to replant and push-off a 2nd time. By replanting that tells me you left the ground and returned back to earth. You can get some air but trail leg/foot is supposed to touch the ground all along.
In international play I think they are more lax on this issue. I think Japan’s best pitcher hops a bit.
 

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