Ole Miss vs LSU Softball 2017 SEC Softball Championship

riseball · May 16, 2017

djcarter1966 said:
I think [MENTION=7875]Rocketech[/MENTION] point is at this level you don't HAPPEN to be illegal...you are illegal and you KNOW you are illegal you just don't care because as Barnhill told you "I never get called for it".

More to the point if it was called they would correct it granted the leapers could make easier corrections than the replanters and the hard part is I don't think Barnhill could make any correction at this point if she got called for several IPs in a row she would have to get pulled, I think someone like Katlin Lee probably could make the change just think hard about dragging her foot or push out not up some kind of cue that would probably work short term.

Based on my experience [MENTION=7876]Rocketech1[/MENTION] is way off. I have a bit of experience with pitchers and even in the SEC they are not fully aware of every body movement. They may be unaware or even sloppy with their mechanics, but only a handful like Barnhill are doing it by design to gain a competitive advantage. To your point for all but a few the issue can be resolved with the application of a minimal amount of focus with zero adverse effect. If the rule was properly enforced those pitchers would make the adjustment in short order leaving only those who seek to deliberately work outside the rules.

FastPitchCat · May 17, 2017

Rocketech1 said:
For at least the last 10 years that I have been involved in the game, illegal pitching (leaping and/or replanting) has been pretty common place in women's fastpitch. Below is a very small sample of some of the "cheaters". See a trend here? How this isn't considered pervasive at the highest levels of the women's game isn't looking close enough:

Dallas Escobedo (ASU WCWS Champs, NPF)
Kenzie Fowler (Arizona, WCWS, Gatorade POY(2x)
Sara Nevins (USF, Team USA)
Ally Carda (UCLA, PAC 12 POY (2x), Team USA)
Cat Osterman (University of Texas, Team USA, Gold & Silver Medals, NPF)
Sunderland-Finch (Cal, PAC 12)
Alexis Silkwood (MSU, all-time school records for wins)
Kaylee Carlson (Auburn, 25-3 record)
Kelly Barnhill (Florida, Team USA)
Kaitlin Lee (Ole' 'Miss, SEC Tourney MVP & Champ)

somehow you still insist that BLATANT CHEATING is okay. it is NOT AND NEVER WILL BE.
did you see Rick Pauly's explanation on how Barnhill gets an UNFAIR advantage due to her crowhopping? oh, i forgot, you condone this behavior. geeze.

4KidsDad · May 17, 2017

I've watched the last 2 Ole Miss games now on YouTube.

I watched the entire first game (not realizing she is a skippy) specifically looking at Kaitlin Lee's mechanics and didn't see a crow-hop/replant. Then I checked in on this forum where it was called out and so I watched 2nd game trying to see it. . .

I still couldn't see it. . .

Now. . .99.9% of the pitches were from the center field camera directly behind the pitcher's plate. This is why I couldn't see it.

During the Final game, when she was working the bullpen in between innings were the only side shots I could see. During those pitches, she was not crowhopping/replanting. Not even close.

I'm not disagreeing that she's a skippy, but how I'm interpreting Riseball's argument is that her slighty skippy mechanics are very close to "correct" and with slight tweaking she can fix it.

Barnhill needs that crowhop to throw how she's throwing. Having her conform legally would be like asking a righty to throw with her left hand. And it's easy to see her crowhop from the center field camera--no question for me.

FastPitchCat · May 17, 2017

4KidsDad said:
I've watched the last 2 Ole Miss games now on YouTube.

I watched the entire first game (not realizing she is a skippy) specifically looking at Kaitlin Lee's mechanics and didn't see a crow-hop/replant. Then I checked in on this forum where it was called out and so I watched 2nd game trying to see it. . .

I still couldn't see it. . .

Now. . .99.9% of the pitches were from the center field camera directly behind the pitcher's plate. This is why I couldn't see it.

During the Final game, when she was working the bullpen in between innings were the only side shots I could see. During those pitches, she was not crowhopping/replanting. Not even close.

I'm not disagreeing that she's a skippy, but how I'm interpreting Riseball's argument is that her slighty skippy mechanics are very close to "correct" and with slight tweaking she can fix it.

Barnhill needs that crowhop to throw how she's throwing. Having her conform legally would be like asking a righty to throw with her left hand. And it's easy to see her crowhop from the center field camera--no question for me.

i agree. i looked at KL and can't see where she's illegal.
yes, granted on occasion her drive foot is off the mound but he is definitely NOT illegal on every pitch. unlike barnhill, silkwood and carlson

time to ask the SEC umpires if they have the courage to call IP's.

PEPPERS · May 17, 2017

After watching a few games KL pitched I did see her drive foot off the ground on some pitches, but not every pitch, IMO her violation is not as flagrant as some.

I can say her movement on the ball is fantastic, her catcher gets credit IMO being able to catch some of her pitches must less a batter being able to hit it.

I saw an article where her pitching coach at Ole Miss was given credit for helping her to get to this point.

From the article.

Lee has nine different pitches in her arsenal, but what she throws varies by game, depending on what she’s throwing well and what the scouting report calls for.

https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi/ole-miss-softball-sec-tourney-mvp-kaitlin-lee

4 girl's dad · May 17, 2017

"time to ask the SEC umpires if they have the courage to call IP's"

I feel like ESPN has so much invested in the SEC network and that they want to make sure it gets what ever attention it can, that there may be a CONSPIRACY to keep these pitchers in the game by not calling IP's. Why else is it mainly the SEC umps that are not calling it?

Now Ill go back into my corner with the tinfoil hat on....

Rocketech1 · May 18, 2017

FastPitchCat said:
i agree. i looked at KL and can't see where she's illegal.
yes, granted on occasion her drive foot is off the mound but he is definitely NOT illegal on every pitch. unlike barnhill, silkwood and carlson

time to ask the SEC umpires if they have the courage to call IP's.

During the tournament they had some great side angles from 1st base and you can clearly see the leap, and when some one leaps, it normally results in weight bearing on the pivot foot when it comes down for a second push (replant). She may not be as blatant as KB or Ally Carda, but she would be called for many IPs if we had a pitching umpire or slo-mo replay. I believe the no leaping rule was put in place for a reason and many top pitchers like KL just can't seem to keep their pivot foot dragging along the ground.

Maybe we should overlook the leapers but crack down on the blatant crow hoppers? Nevertheless it's a big black eye to the sport the way this has played out for many, many years.

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