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    An 8th grade pitcher in my area was "verballed" to a D1 school last year. So much can and will happen between 8th and 12th grade, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

    With the rare exception, the athletic scholarship thing is a sucker's bet. Even at my DDs HS, which has a good program at the top tier of HS softball, not many players get offers from schools they would have considered (or even heard of) had softball not been in the picture.

    Some (or as often their parents) are desperate to play somewhere to validate the ridiculous amounts spent on travel and showcase tournaments. I saw this happen with a close friend whose daughter played soccer. A very good HS and club player, she lasted one year at a D3 school on the other side of the country. Why did she go there? It was the ONLY school that showed interest. A couple poor decisions later, and they had spent over $200K for an elementary education degree.

    With the partial that most softball scholarship players get, the ROI is horrible. There are so many other more predictable pathways that will help cover college cost, I'm baffled why so many go all-in on sports. BTW...I've recently seen some very good "all-in" type players hobbled by joint injuries that suggest overuse.
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    There is a local 8th grader that verballed to a school in the NE. I want to ask her and the parents, Is this your dream school that you have been wanting to go to all of your life? Did you even know the name of the school one year ago? I predict that this verbal will disappear in a year or so as she develops or the parents mess it up.

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    I've watched a lot of college softball in the last few years and strongly believe that any girl with enough passion for the game has a place to play in college -maybe not on a large percentage scholarship, but they can find a place to play.

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    Sue Enquist says it all. (I'm sure its been posted before)

    Sue Enquist Takes on Early Recruiting | FloSoftball

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike2 View Post
    An 8th grade pitcher in my area was "verballed" to a D1 school last year. So much can and will happen between 8th and 12th grade, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

    With the rare exception, the athletic scholarship thing is a sucker's bet. Even at my DDs HS, which has a good program at the top tier of HS softball, not many players get offers from schools they would have considered (or even heard of) had softball not been in the picture.

    Some (or as often their parents) are desperate to play somewhere to validate the ridiculous amounts spent on travel and showcase tournaments. I saw this happen with a close friend whose daughter played soccer. A very good HS and club player, she lasted one year at a D3 school on the other side of the country. Why did she go there? It was the ONLY school that showed interest. A couple poor decisions later, and they had spent over $200K for an elementary education degree.

    With the partial that most softball scholarship players get, the ROI is horrible. There are so many other more predictable pathways that will help cover college cost, I'm baffled why so many go all-in on sports. BTW...I've recently seen some very good "all-in" type players hobbled by joint injuries that suggest overuse.
    HS softball has very little bearing on college recruiting. It’s common to see top programs, especially in the smaller school classes, with few or no college commitments.

    You’re absolutely correct on the ROI. If that’s the reason parents want their kids to play it’s a foolish investment. On a related note, I’ve followed several top area players near DD’s age. Even of the ones that went on to play college ball it’s amazing how many have hung up the cleats already. Calculating the “investment” by four years would be a very risky proposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB875 View Post
    Sue Enquist says it all. (I'm sure its been posted before)

    Sue Enquist Takes on Early Recruiting | FloSoftball
    I love Sue. I have heard her speak in person and pass out her personal cell number to a room of 500+ coaches. She's inspiring and I love the potential in her new website.

    However, if she were still coaching, she would absolutely be verballing 8th graders if it benefited her team. The coaches and former coaches bemoaning early recruiting drive me nuts almost as much as the ones talking about how much they love multi-sport athletes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNDad View Post
    HS softball has very little bearing on college recruiting. It’s common to see top programs, especially in the smaller school classes, with few or no college commitments.

    You’re absolutely correct on the ROI. If that’s the reason parents want their kids to play it’s a foolish investment. On a related note, I’ve followed several top area players near DD’s age. Even of the ones that went on to play college ball it’s amazing how many have hung up the cleats already. Calculating the “investment” by four years would be a very risky proposition.
    Ordinarily, I'd agree about the impact of HS ball on recruiting. However, this is a large HS and one of the state's top programs. It's almost impossible to crack the starting lineup, even on JV, unless you play for a higher level TB team. College coaches show up...I know because I've seen and spoken to them. Plenty of them end up playing in college somewhere, but the BIG NAME SCHOOL is relatively rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansdaddy View Post
    I love Sue. I have heard her speak in person and pass out her personal cell number to a room of 500+ coaches. She's inspiring and I love the potential in her new website.

    However, if she were still coaching, she would absolutely be verballing 8th graders if it benefited her team. The coaches and former coaches bemoaning early recruiting drive me nuts almost as much as the ones talking about how much they love multi-sport athletes.
    Absolutely right.

    People always like to forget Sue Enquist and UCLA having to vacate their World Series wins over illegal recruiting violations (giving available soccer scholarships to softball players I believe was at the heart of it) and the BS when they recruited Australian pitcher Tanya Harding as a gun for hire who stayed on campus less than one semester which may have technically been ok by the rules but was certainly highly unethical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marriard View Post
    Absolutely right.

    People always like to forget Sue Enquist and UCLA having to forfeit their World Series wins over illegal recruiting violations (giving available soccer scholarships to softball players I believe was at the heart of it) and the BS when they recruited Australian pitcher Tanya Harding as a gun for hire who stayed on campus less than one semester possibly could have ok by the rules but was certainly highly unethical.
    Sue Enquist was a great coach. But turning to her for an onion with regard to ethical recruiting is like asking Casey Anthony for advice on parenting.

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    The 2 in our district that verballed to UT as 8th graders were offered the scholorship offer of "book costs" + % tbd. (unverified by me, but multiple "sources" corroborated)


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