How many pitches should a fastpitch pitcher have?

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May 17, 2012
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The point of the post, of course, is that the belief that you only need three pitches - rise, drop and change - is outdated. You shouldn't just limit yourself to that. Where you actually end up will depend on you.

I would actually go the other way and suggest less pitches in the arsenal and focus on being great at just one or two pitches.

I just don't understand Ken's position on this. It's not what I am seeing in the Midwest.
 

JAD

Feb 20, 2012
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My DD can throw a curve ball and a slow curve (slurve) just by modifying her grip. She learned that pitch after I read a post on DFP by Hal Skinner. Whatever happened to Hal, I have seen anything from him in quite awhile. Anyway, I would count that as two pitches since we have different signs for each, but DD did not have to spend a lot of time practicing to master it.

The same is true of her change up. When DD was 10U her pitching coach taught her a knuckle change up, and while we are working to perfect her circle change this season, she will still pull a knuckle ball out every once in awhile just to keep the batter off balance.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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Orlando, FL
Think it is a matter of semantics. To me a pitch is defined by a unique axis of rotation. A pitch thrown at a different speed, to a different location, with a different grip, or called by a different name is not a different pitch. Maybe a different look, but not a different pitch. Otherwise it would mean that every pitcher has an infinite number of pitches.

Building on that I think that most would agree that the number of pitches claimed is largely based on intent and the observed behavior is quite different. :)
 
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Nov 26, 2010
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How many pitches she has, is different then how many she should learn. A good pitcher needs 3 pitches that she has mastered (can throw up and down, in and out, mix the speeds up...) But what are the odds that the first 3 she learns are the ones she masters? Probably have to learn 6 or so to figure out which ones she does best.
 

JAD

Feb 20, 2012
8,231
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Georgia
My DD can throw a curve ball and a slow curve (slurve) just by modifying her grip. She learned that pitch after I read a post on DFP by Hal Skinner. Whatever happened to Hal, I have seen anything from him in quite awhile. Anyway, I would count that as two pitches since we have different signs for each, but DD did not have to spend a lot of time practicing to master it.

Someone sent me a PM asking about the slurve grip so I am posting pictures of my DD's curve and slurve grip for reference. Pitch is thrown with the same motion and the same arm speed. Only difference is the grip and it take 6-8 MPH off.
Curve grip.jpgSlurve grip.jpg
 

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