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Oct 29, 2008
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Is this what you want to discuss ?

"Can't blame Tom for sending his daughters to a private school. Even if they did have a poor softball team.

"The Blue Angels WAS a bad choice, but a local club team. Probably made sense at the time."


I wold like to see you get back to your usual standard of technical writing and content.


I think I covered a number of points in my post above.

And care little what your expectations of me are.

I would like to see YOU go work with some kids, and see what is successful actually teaching them to hit.

You are equally ambivalent to my opinion, so there we are.


I will comply with your apparent request to NOT offer an (admittedly) mild defense of you, even in areas such as the modestly personal one above. No worries, happy to comply.
 
Jul 14, 2008
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Tom, I appologize if you think I was "too close" to home. That wasn't meant as a slam. I was serious. YOU HAVE NOT been in touch with the world of HIGH LEVEL SOFTBALL.........

Your constant wriling of how "girls aren't taught high level mechanics" is out of touch with the reality of what it takes to compete with the likes of Gary Hannings Teams.........

You MUST TEACH high level mechanics to throw out a lefty bunter/slapper who is under 2.7 sec. to 1st...........Like those at the highest level. Low level mechanics WILL NOT FLY at the levels we play......

Example: My teams faced the likes of Tasha Watley 3 times in Boulder with Chambrones So Cal A's. She ran all over us the first year. Believe me, as a coach, you quickly figure out that LOW LEVEL mechanics just can't compete.

Furthermore, you cannot "sit and spin" and be successful against the pitching my hitters have faced, including Finch, Freed, Osterman, Abbott, Voke, Forrest, Martinez, Hollowell, Seldon, and a pleathera of others. Keep in mind, these kids where throwing from 40 ft just a few years ago..........You wanna try hitting Freed, Finch, Abbott Or Jelly Seldon striding to 35 feet at release? That is true reality out from behind the "screen" so to speak.

My point is, (and it's not a cut, just reality), you really have NO idea, especially from your limited background IN THIS GAME..........

LOW LEVEL MECHANICS JUST WON'T FLY at this level.

Turning the barrel/rotating the triangle and hitting a 56 MPH beer league pitcher from 46 feet just doesn't cut the mustard as proof of what it takes to hit the kids I'm talking about........I KNOW, I've tried it......

Scott is well aware that I seriously considered Richard's "Swivel/Triangle/Arc it Rearward/Launch and spend stuff". Believe me, I quickly found out what happened at MY LEVEL, not his.......And it wasn't good........

The proof is in the pudding, as far as I'm concerned. IF that crap was the holy grail, his student would've seen a hell of lot more at bats.......It's just that simple........

Remember, while we may be anonomous to others, we are NOT anonomous to each other.......That's why I'm confused when you use stuff like: "BM in the johnny" when refering to me with your collegues..........

Best regards.........

John

BM-

I would encourage you to keep the personal out of the discussions here.

Maybe BBF would be good for that or some other site.
 
May 7, 2008
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BM-

Thanks for the reply, very dedicated posting during super bowl.

I would say you and Hanning and most travel and even college coaches have no CLUE how to teach the mechanics of overhand throw or swing.

You can recruit the kids who can do it and you can avoid messing them up worse than other but that is about it.

You ARE able to teach pitching well. Imagine if you developed the same proficiency in teaching the swing or throw mechanics underlying hitting and defense.

Parents beware.

"high level" softball is about recruiting the right kid at the right time.

it is rarely about developing kids basic skills like throw hit. It is just sink or swim and far too many kids drown because of the lack of knowledge.

If you can get past your ego, look at Nymans or Wolforth's stuff or Hodge if you can find it and there is an opportunity for you to help more kids and get a competitive edge as well.

Go LMU.
 
Jul 14, 2008
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The Cards don't stand a chance........:D

I would say......Hanning and most travel and even college coaches have no CLUE how to teach the mechanics of overhand throw or swing..............If you can get past your ego..............

I hope people read your statement for what it is.........It was actually very funny........

FYI, statistics for Northern California teams show that over 90% of players stay with the same team for over 3 years Tom........

And for programs such as ours who support teams at multiple age levels, over 80% of players spend 5 years in the same organization. The turn over rate is LESS then 3 players per season........Except of course in the fall where rosters can grow to 20 or more players.........

Turn over of the 15 player core roster is mostly due to playing time issues..........

Your information is HUGELY flawed...........And people who are actually IN THIS GAME know it.......
 
Jan 6, 2009
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I would agree with Tom, any high level team isn't about developing players.

If a player has to be developed, there is no chance of making the team.

And anyone coaching a very high level team with players coming from many areas and miles apart, and claiming they have the time to develop each players is ridiculous.

Most players at that level already have an instructor for pitching and hitting, and the coach of a elite team usually isn't their instructor. Even if they try to be.

You might have a good team and then get a wake up call playing against superior talent. And find that adjustments are needed.
 
Jul 14, 2008
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I would agree with Tom, any high level team isn't about developing players.

If a player has to be developed, there is no chance of making the team.

And anyone coaching a very high level team with players coming from many areas and miles apart, and claiming they have the time to develop each players is ridiculous.

Most players at that level already have an instructor for pitching and hitting, and the coach of a elite team usually isn't their instructor. Even if they try to be.

You might have a good team and then get a wake up call playing against superior talent. And find that adjustments are needed.

Spoken by a true outsider........Seeking athletisim is NOT seeking the "made" player.........Give me an athletic kid who can't throw hit or pitch any day of the week........

That would describe MOST of the players who entered my organization and left with a scholarship..........

IF you've ever attended a high level practice, you'd see skill development across the board (no pun intended).......We aren't sitting behind your computer with you.........

Throwing drills, hitting drills, running drills......and on and on and on.......3 times a week, for upwards of 3 hours........

Both of you have NO clue about what happens at the highest levels......

I'm just glad you're putting your positions out here............

Buyer Beware..........
 
May 7, 2008
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San Rafael, Ca
BM-

You should be able to have the same degree of in depth ability to teach the overhand throw and the MLB pattern swing as you do fastpitch pitching.

You need to keep learning. Wolforth and Nyman's throwing info is easily available and the combo of the two is comprehensive.

In the swing you need to keep working to see the difference between knob pull/PCR pattern and the MLB pattern where the handle is turned. It is inexcusable for someone like you not to be able to see the difference in barrel path as discussed in this thread.

Baseball Fever - View Single Post - Fundamental Swing Q&As

This is not a different pitch/location/baswing thing. these are totally different patterns which you should undertsand and not mix.

Get out of your complacent attitude and really try to find the truth.
 

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