10U dominance to 18U bust. 50 to 65mph. Our Story.

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Jul 31, 2015
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Reposting this in its own thread as a cautionary tale about how early success can be a setup for later heartbreak.

But also it shows what’s possible, even with limited natural athleticism, via resilience and tons of hard work, if DD truly wants it.

And because DFP is the bomb.

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This is our story. I hope it helps:

DD grew early and fast. Absolute dominant pitcher in 10/12U. Could throw 50+ first year 10U. She was 5'4"/145lbs in 2nd grade! Taller than her teacher.

And then, as she approached and went through middle school...everyone caught up. By second year 14U she was pitcher #3 and having to rely on her bat for playing time. In search of answers, we switched pitching coaches and learned IR from one of the best. That took a year.

Once IR was mastered by early 16U, and movement started to come back, she still couldn't throw much over 55mph. Pitching coach was scratching his head, said he couldn't teach speed, only mechanics and spin. So overall, HE to IR, but only about 3-4mph of gain in 5 years!

I posted video on DFP asking for help at the time. The clear problem was leg drive...lack of it. She spent months working with each of two different trainers, didn't really help. Incremental improvement and she was working 24/7. Dedicated her life to it and nothing. 55-56mph during first year 18s :(

Heartbreaking.

And then...

I read the DFP thread on quad dominance ("hyperarch mechanism"). Googled quad vs glute dominance and learned as much as I could. Lightbulb went on; it all started to make sense. She was quad dominant and no amount of work on her own (sprints, long toss, weighs, etc etc) would fix it.

Serendipity intervened and we got hooked up with a very good baseball trainer. One look and he said "she's badly imbalanced. I can fix it." Said it would take 3 months to adjust, 6 mos to see a change and a year to realize the full benefit.

He was right.

It's been almost exactly a year with this trainer and she's still in the gym 5 days a week, with sprints, agility, and other drills on her own in addition to team practice, but is now capable of 63-64mph. Although not yet consistent at that speed, she cruises at 60-62 and it's becoming apparent she will be able to sustain mid-60s by next summer. Says she can feel it coming on, and by the gun we can see episodes of 64 that are more and more frequent. In-game results have improved dramatically (now #1 pitcher on a nationally competitive 18U team). She'll play mid-level D3 ball in college because of the school but has turned down a mid-major D1 and a top D3 offer.

Nothing is ever straight up and to the right. But with enough work, insane luck and DFP we got to the breakthrough.

So thank you DFP!

PS - she posted the best BA on her team after an 11 game tourney last week. Leg drive is good for hitting too :)
 
Nov 8, 2018
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Reposting this in its own thread as a cautionary tale about how early success can be a setup for later heartbreak.

But also it shows what’s possible, even with limited natural athleticism, via resilience and tons of hard work, if DD truly wants it.

And because DFP is the bomb.

***********************

This is our story. I hope it helps:

DD grew early and fast. Absolute dominant pitcher in 10/12U. Could throw 50+ first year 10U. She was 5'4"/145lbs in 2nd grade! Taller than her teacher.

And then, as she approached and went through middle school...everyone caught up. By second year 14U she was pitcher #3 and having to rely on her bat for playing time. In search of answers, we switched pitching coaches and learned IR from one of the best. That took a year.

Once IR was mastered by early 16U, and movement started to come back, she still couldn't throw much over 55mph. Pitching coach was scratching his head, said he couldn't teach speed, only mechanics and spin. So overall, HE to IR, but only about 3-4mph of gain in 5 years!

I posted video on DFP asking for help at the time. The clear problem was leg drive...lack of it. She spent months working with each of two different trainers, didn't really help. Incremental improvement and she was working 24/7. Dedicated her life to it and nothing. 55-56mph during first year 18s :(

Heartbreaking.

And then...

I read the DFP thread on quad dominance ("hyperarch mechanism"). Googled quad vs glute dominance and learned as much as I could. Lightbulb went on; it all started to make sense. She was quad dominant and no amount of work on her own (sprints, long toss, weighs, etc etc) would fix it.

Serendipity intervened and we got hooked up with a very good baseball trainer. One look and he said "she's badly imbalanced. I can fix it." Said it would take 3 months to adjust, 6 mos to see a change and a year to realize the full benefit.

He was right.

It's been almost exactly a year with this trainer and she's still in the gym 5 days a week, with sprints, agility, and other drills on her own in addition to team practice, but is now capable of 63-64mph. Although not yet consistent at that speed, she cruises at 60-62 and it's becoming apparent she will be able to sustain mid-60s by next summer. Says she can feel it coming on, and by the gun we can see episodes of 64 that are more and more frequent. In-game results have improved dramatically (now #1 pitcher on a nationally competitive 18U team). She'll play mid-level D3 ball in college because of the school but has turned down a mid-major D1 and a top D3 offer.

Nothing is ever straight up and to the right. But with enough work, insane luck and DFP we got to the breakthrough.

So thank you DFP!

PS - she posted the best BA on her team after an 11 game tourney last week. Leg drive is good for hitting too :)

So the moral is balanced leg strength and explosion got her drive proper and that made the difference.

Congrats.


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Jul 31, 2015
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So the moral is balanced leg strength and explosion got her drive proper and that made the difference.

Congrats.


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Yes, and very hard work. Over many years.

And help from people who’ve gone before and are willing to share their insights.

And humility on the part of the parents and the player.

And extreme gratitude to coaches who’ve given her 2nd and 3rd chances in the circle.

It’s not about the pitches.
 
Dec 2, 2013
3,421
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Texas
Great Story! I like that you and DD took ownership of her development and kept seeking. Many kids just toss the ball aside and say it's too hard, I can't do it, etc. DD caught a pitcher from 10U to HS. She was dominant at 10u/12u. She had a pitching coach that was good a developing younger pitchers to become serviceable in Rec league, but did not develop kids beyond that. She could have pitched in college, but was on the wrong team, didn't own the recruiting process and expected coaches to come to her. She went to a camp, and I asked mom what she thought. She said the coaches didn't follow up with them. What!! You need to do the following up!!! She stayed with this PC and didn't gain any speed over the years and her leg drive became inefficient. She decided to go to Big State U and be a NARP.

I am good friends with a dad of 16U pitcher that is taking lessons from this same PC. His kid has no leg drive whatsoeve,r and relies on her upper body. I keep tellling him that he has taught your DD all he knows, she has plateaued, and it's time to move on and explore other PC's. He can't do it. Says he would feel bad. Dude! It happens all the time and he understands. I asked him how many college players does he work with. ZERO! There is a reason for that.

Anyway, this shows you that your DD's development can hit a growth spurt at any time if the work is put in and have good guidance along the way. My DD is a soph in college is now starting to grow into her body. When I watched her play last spring, I was totally taken aback at arm over hand throwing velocity had improved not that it was bad. It was just so much more and explosive! She mentioned that she is pretty proud of her guns. I just need her stick legs to become tree trunks so those balls leave the field at a higher rate.

Note: Softball becomes a game of attrition, and the last ones standing are usually the ones that play in college. Just don't quit.

Good luck Shiloh. Good things will came.
 
Jul 31, 2015
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If there was a bust part, I missed it.

She gained 5mph from 12U to 18U.

As you might imagine, what followed was disaster:
- barely any circle time in 14s and 16s. Averaged about 3 innings in the circle in every 5-7 game tournament, and guess which innings those were (ahead or behind by a lot)
- rarely played in the field
- rarely hit
- prided herself on being the loudest cheerer in the dugout
- got the "you have a spot on the team but your playing time will be limited" email

So yes, from booming dominant pitcher and batter - someone who attracted D1 attention as an 11 year old - to busted, unwanted extra.

And now, back.

Through sheer force of will, luck, new team willing to take a chance on her, and because people on DFP shared their struggles.
 
Aug 21, 2008
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When I used to do my monthly newsletter and articles in various places, I remember doing a story on this same subject matter: Success early doesn't guarantee successes later. At young ages, pitchers are usually the most athletic ones on the field (yes I'm biased). But because the majority of pitchers practice more on their own than the average infielder/outfielder, plus lessons, plus practices with teams, etc. they get tons more reps in and usually develop faster. However, that drops off about age 14. That's when people have to s**t or get off the pot, deciding if they want to take pitching as far as they can or walk away. The ASA/USA once put out a stat that said they lose 65% of their players from 14U onward... about that time when people stop doing it for fun only and looking for college rewards. However, SOOOOO many people think they are on the right track when their 11 yr old strikes out 15 batters despite doing H/E mechanics. What they don't realize is, at that age, you pretty much have to just throw strikes and you're guaranteed at least 1 K per inning. Good ones will have 15 K's, and usually a bunch of walks, HBP's too but the parents never tell you about the walks... only the strikeouts! lol. Anyway, even a horrible mechanics pitcher can do well at young ages by simply throwing strikes. As they develop, so does their opposition. Then throwing strikes isn't enough.

I don't know where you live or what school she's going too but there are some D3 and D2 schools with better overall programs than some D 1's. I know of some D 1 schools that don't even have full time head coaches!!! And there is never a need to justify why she picked whatever school she did. Some kids wanna stay close to home, some HAVE to stay close to home, others follow their boyfriend/girlfiends to whatever schools they're going to, or it can just come down to a school having the best program for her major. Who knows, maybe she'll make her middle of pack D3 school into one of the top teams you referenced. I know for most of my career, I choose to play AGAINST the top teams instead of for them. It absolutely cut down my championship titles but I think I became a better pitcher for it!! Good luck to your family.
 
Oct 2, 2018
205
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Georgia
I read the DFP thread on quad dominance ("hyperarch mechanism"). Googled quad vs glute dominance and learned as much as I could. Lightbulb went on; it all started to make sense. She was quad dominant and no amount of work on her own (sprints, long toss, weighs, etc etc) would fix it.

Serendipity intervened and we got hooked up with a very good baseball trainer. One look and he said "she's badly imbalanced. I can fix it." Said it would take 3 months to adjust, 6 mos to see a change and a year to realize the full benefit.

He was right.

It's been almost exactly a year with this trainer and she's still in the gym 5 days a week, with sprints, agility, and other drills on her own.
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What do her leg workouts look like that balanced her out? Sprint mechanics work? Speed/agility? Or did she learn how to use her whole body gaining more awareness?
 

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